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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:33 PM

http://www.ynetnews....4380847,00.html

I am surprised by this.  I think the "short guy syndrome" may be about to start a regional, maybe even global,  war.  Putin is laying markers and Netanyahu is going to have to retreat or fight.  My guess is he will not retreat - he really cannot.  Putin will not use nukes to defend Syria and he CANNOT win in a conventional conflict.  This kind of adventurism is caused by him taking advantage of a weak, feckless and politically scandalized American president.  THIS is why weak leaders are dangerous.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:52 PM

They keep telling us to stay out of it but yet they don't.  I doubt they start a war they know where it could lead.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 01:58 PM

View PostHilander, on 17 May 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

They keep telling us to stay out of it but yet they don't.  I doubt they start a war they know where it could lead.
I hope you are right.  This actually worries me.  Putin is a hardcase and I think he doesn't respect our president and sees an opportunity to flex his muscles.  It could be bad.  If Netanyahu is seriously considering striking Iran, he could use the confusion of a Syrian conflict to cover for it.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 02:46 PM

Netanyahu started this..... Should never have done airstrikes in Syria.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 03:46 PM

the report does not say that deal was done before the uprising which was in 2009


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:01 PM

In all my years we have been living under threat of nuclear war on this planet. It gets depressing and I wish those leaders would start thinking about their citizens instead of their egos.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:18 PM

View Postand then, on 17 May 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

http://www.ynetnews....4380847,00.html

I am surprised by this.  I think the "short guy syndrome" may be about to start a regional, maybe even global,  war.  Putin is laying markers and Netanyahu is going to have to retreat or fight.  My guess is he will not retreat - he really cannot.  Putin will not use nukes to defend Syria and he CANNOT win in a conventional conflict.  This kind of adventurism is caused by him taking advantage of a weak, feckless and politically scandalized American president.  THIS is why weak leaders are dangerous.

Yet that report is a bit misleading as it does not mention those same Russian warships paying friendly visit to Israel earlier. There is no Russian v Israeli animosity that I see. Large numbers of Israelis are from Russia, and many are far more Russian than Jewish, claiming Israeli citizenship by one only great grandmother, or even less. In 2010, I think, IDF were on exerecises in Russia


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:25 PM

View PostTutankhaten-pasheri, on 17 May 2013 - 04:18 PM, said:

Yet that report is a bit misleading as it does not mention those same Russian warships paying friendly visit to Israel earlier. There is no Russian v Israeli animosity that I see. Large numbers of Israelis are from Russia, and many are far more Russian than Jewish, claiming Israeli citizenship by one only great grandmother, or even less. In 2010, I think, IDF were on exerecises in Russia
This is true but do you not feel Putin is tweaking the situation for his own prestige and other benefit?  It seems dangerous to me - not the shipping, the missile technology will cause Israel to make a decision that could escalate the entire situation out of control.  Assad doesn't need these missiles to defeat the "rebels".  These missiles are entirely for use against any aircraft that might decide to intervene in the slaughter.  I have no horse in this race because no matter who wins there, the west loses but I still think it barbaric what is happening to the elderly and the young and innocent.  I hope your instinct is correct in this TP

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 04:37 PM

View Postand then, on 17 May 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

I hope your instinct is correct in this TP

So do I, and I really think there are no problems here that will get significantly bigger. We know little things can start big wars, like Sarajevo in 1914, but these are simply triggers for a war that would have happened anyway. Appart from the unending Jewish v Arab hate fest, I see no underlying reason for any serious war to develope. There will be no WWIII over Syria. I look with greater concern at China now claiming Okinawa.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:27 PM

View Postand then, on 17 May 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:

http://www.ynetnews....4380847,00.html

I am surprised by this.  I think the "short guy syndrome" may be about to start a regional, maybe even global,  war.  Putin is laying markers and Netanyahu is going to have to retreat or fight.  My guess is he will not retreat - he really cannot.  Putin will not use nukes to defend Syria and he CANNOT win in a conventional conflict. This kind of adventurism is caused by him taking advantage of a weak, feckless and politically scandalized American president.  THIS is why weak leaders are dangerous.

Are you serious? Russia has one of the strongest militaries in the world.

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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:27 PM

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To add even more interest to this drama...


Warships from the Russian Pacific Fleet are in Cyprus.

http://www.cyprus-ma...cyprus/20130517



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Edited by AlasBabylon, 17 May 2013 - 06:36 PM.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:39 PM

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btw...

I like the title of this topic... "Russia is taking a stand."


Reminds me of the desire of my heart = Tsar Michael standing up.



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Posted 17 May 2013 - 06:42 PM

View Postand then, on 17 May 2013 - 01:33 PM, said:


http://www.ynetnews....4380847,00.html

I am surprised by this.  I think the "short guy syndrome" may be about to start a regional, maybe even global,  war.  Putin is laying markers and Netanyahu is going to have to retreat or fight.  My guess is he will not retreat - he really cannot.  Putin will not use nukes to defend Syria and he CANNOT win in a conventional conflict.  This kind of adventurism is caused by him taking advantage of a weak, feckless and politically scandalized American president.  THIS is why weak leaders are dangerous.




Obama was intentionally set up for such a time as this.

On many American forums I visit, Americans are too caught-up in their own
Obama-related 'Greek tragedies' to worry about the Middle East.



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Edited by AlasBabylon, 17 May 2013 - 06:43 PM.


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:03 PM

View PostHeaven Is A Halfpipe, on 17 May 2013 - 06:27 PM, said:

Are you serious? Russia has one of the strongest militaries in the world.

What great military advantage does Russia have that would let it win in a conventional war


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Posted 17 May 2013 - 07:24 PM

View PostDarkHunter, on 17 May 2013 - 07:03 PM, said:



What great military advantage does Russia have that would let it win in a conventional war




People tend to think of either nuclear war or conventional war as they
have known it... but there may be other... more advanced... weaponry.

Vladimir Putin has been in control of Russia since New Year's Eve, 1999.
Shortly aftewards, he said Russia's navy base in Syria would be rebuilt.

Putin has had over 13 years to rebuild Russia... more time than Hitler had
to rebuild Germany.  What new V-2 rockets... that is... what new technology
might Putin's Russia now possess ??



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