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#1    danielost

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:23 PM

Well obama and team are no longer blaming bush for the countries trouble.  Now they claim to not know anything about it.


During the benghizy attack, no one thought it important enough to wake him up.  After alll he had to fly to vegas the next day.  Eric holder didn't know what was going on in the doj.  The lady in charge of the irs's tax exepmt division didn't know what was going on in her division and she got a promotion.  The irs boss the guit was do to be replaced on june first.

As I said in another thread, someone wake me up when obama grows up.

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 11:55 PM

View Postdanielost, on 18 May 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

Well obama and team are no longer blaming bush for the countries trouble.  Now they claim to not know anything about it.


During the benghizy attack, no one thought it important enough to wake him up.  After alll he had to fly to vegas the next day.  Eric holder didn't know what was going on in the doj.  The lady in charge of the irs's tax exepmt division didn't know what was going on in her division and she got a promotion.  The irs boss the guit was do to be replaced on june first.

As I said in another thread, someone wake me up when obama grows up.

It's called "Plausible deniability"

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Plausible deniability is a term coined by the CIA during the Kennedy administration to describe the withholding of information from senior officials in order to protect them from repercussions in the event that illegal or unpopular activities by the CIA became public knowledge.
The term most often refers to the denial of blame in (formal or informal) chains of command, where senior figures assign responsibility to the lower ranks, and records of instructions given do not exist or are inaccessible, meaning independent confirmation of responsibility for the action is nearly impossible. In the case that illegal or otherwise disreputable and unpopular activities become public, high-ranking officials may deny any awareness of such act or any connection to the agents used to carry out such acts. The lack of evidence to the contrary ostensibly makes the denial plausible, that is, credible. The term typically implies forethought, such as intentionally setting up the conditions to plausibly avoid responsibility for one's (future) actions or knowledge.
In politics and espionage, deniability refers to the ability of a "powerful player" or intelligence agency to avoid "blowback" by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third party ostensibly unconnected with the major player. In political campaigns, plausible deniability enables candidates to stay "clean" and denounce third-party advertisements that use unethical approaches or potentially libellous innuendo.
More generally, "plausible deniability" can also apply to any act that leaves little or no evidence of wrongdoing or abuse. Examples of this are the use of electric shock, waterboarding or pain-compliance holds as a means of torture or punishment, leaving few or no tangible signs that the abuse ever took place.
Plausible deniability is also a legal concept. It refers to lack of evidence proving an allegation. Standards of proof vary in civil and criminal cases. In civil cases, the standard of proof is "preponderance of the evidence" whereas in a criminal matter, the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt." If an opponent lacks incontrovertible proof (evidence) of their allegation, one can "plausibly deny" the allegation even though it may be true.

Taken from http://en.wikipedia....ble_deniability


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 12:04 AM

That true they purposely keep things from them so they can have plausible deniability.  At the same time I can't imagine keeping up with everything all the departments of government are doing.

EDIT: Or have the time to make a personal decision on everything they do.

Edited by Hilander, 19 May 2013 - 12:05 AM.


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 12:19 AM

View Postdanielost, on 18 May 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

Well obama and team are no longer blaming bush for the countries trouble.  Now they claim to not know anything about it.


During the benghizy attack, no one thought it important enough to wake him up.  After alll he had to fly to vegas the next day.  Eric holder didn't know what was going on in the doj.  The lady in charge of the irs's tax exepmt division didn't know what was going on in her division and she got a promotion.  The irs boss the guit was do to be replaced on june first.

As I said in another thread, someone wake me up when obama grows up.

Kinda like Bush, eh?  "Heck, we had no idea that somebody was planning to fly airplanes into buildings."

Obama jes like him. :innocent:


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Posted 19 May 2013 - 12:24 AM

People need to stop thinking of the PotUS as the most important person in an administration. The vote for President is one of the least important votes you cast on election day in terms of running the country. He is a talking hood ornament. Bush Jr was an incredibly high profile example of that, but still most haven't learned the lesson. The broken engine under that hood is made of all the other politicians who are compromised by big business in one way or another. Face the fact that the car is broken down no matter what hood ornament is installed, and that will be the first step toward getting that car running well again.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 08:53 PM

View Postdanielost, on 18 May 2013 - 11:23 PM, said:

Well obama and team are no longer blaming bush for the countries trouble.

that will NEVER change because Bush did cause a great number of "troubles".

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During the benghizy attack, no one thought it important enough to wake him up.

what did you want him to do about it? There are millions in government service that had it covered. The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.

Edited by ninjadude, 19 May 2013 - 08:55 PM.

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Posted 19 May 2013 - 11:11 PM

View Postninjadude, on 19 May 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:



that will NEVER change because Bush did cause a great number of "troubles".



what did you want him to do about it? There are millions in government service that had it covered. The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.


Oh I don't take charge.  That is his job.  To give orders to the military.  Although I think he did.  He gave the order t stand down because he didn't want a terrist attack to derail his reelection.   Four heros died so he could keep his job.  Which he isn't doing anyways.


Others are correct he coudn't keep up with every department in the government.  But, the people he put in charge of their departments should know what is going on in that department.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 01:37 AM

View Postninjadude, on 19 May 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:

that will NEVER change because Bush did cause a great number of "troubles".



what did you want him to do about it? There are millions in government service that had it covered. The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.
7 hour siege on an american embassy with teams only an hour away is unacceptable... Just saying.

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I have a right to my beleifs, just as you have a right to not agree with them.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 01:50 AM

Mr Obama,
If you cant possibly know everything that is going on in your administration or anything that is going on. Just step down, we will have someone who doesn't mind doing their job, replace you. You have failed horribly... Living in a economy where simple mistakes cost good employees their jobs. People lining up to take your position. Their is no excuse for not knowing or doing your job!


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 11:53 PM

The captain of a ship is responsible for everything that goes on onboard his ship.  Doesn't matter if he knows what is going on or not.  Obama wanted to be captian of the country, that makes him responsible for everything going on in government.



As for the oil spill in the gulf.  The republicans wanted obama to work on stopping the oil spill first and then call the lawers.  But, he called in the lawers first because all he saw was dallor signs.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:51 AM

View Postdanielost, on 19 May 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

.  Although I think he did.  He gave the order t stand down because he didn't want a terrist attack to derail his reelection.

complete and utter hogwash

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 03:14 AM

View Postninjadude, on 19 May 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:


The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

actually in this case the military and more importantly the marines are a 911 service. when the ambassador says he needs help we need to have "Boots on the ground".

that was a foreign force attacking Americans on American soil.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 03:16 AM

View Postninjadude, on 19 May 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:


or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.
or like when the democrats wanted Bush to put on his cape and save New Orleans from Katrina..

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:59 AM

View Postninjadude, on 19 May 2013 - 08:53 PM, said:


what did you want him to do about it? There are millions in government service that had it covered. The military is not a 911 service as much as you want them to be.

or like when Republicans wanted Obama to put on his superman cape and stop the gulf oil spill. Get real.

What did we want him to do about it? How about his job, rather than worrying about getting to a campaign event on time?

What "millions in government service had it covered"?

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 03:25 PM

View PostMiskatonicGrad, on 21 May 2013 - 03:14 AM, said:

actually in this case the military and more importantly the marines are a 911 service. when the ambassador says he needs help we need to have "Boots on the ground".

You can wish for this but the military says they are not a 911 service. I didn't make it up. You can have your Republican congressmen vote to allocate more funds for embassy security rather than cutting them.

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