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#16    cormac mac airt

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:02 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 20 May 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

By the way....thank you puzzler....you were completely correct.  The correct spelling when we arrived...."Stephans"....an "A" instead of a second "E".  What the guy at the Historical society told me is when I am running this down....he said don't be shy in assuming your family members went by their "middle" name...apparently at the time it was common for the family to name everyone "Hans" and they would be known by their middle name....So Jeremiah....was actually "Hans Jeremiah Stephens"....which somewhat accounts for the frustration I have had trying to find family names.

I actually had no idea it went back so far.  I had been told (incorrectly) that we immigrated in the early 1800's....it seems we were here a good hundred years before that.

Dont' be surprised if you come across several variations of the same surname either. One of my ancestral surnames "Riemensperger" had more than 12 active variations of the same surname at the same time. Talk about confusing.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 09:44 PM

it is kind of staggering to come to terms with who we really are.  I had the wrong vision for ages....now I have to recalculate....it's a weird feeling.

I am pleased with what I have uncovered....not because it favors one race or another....but because I feel I now have the truth to deal with...there is no magic
transformation to explain anything....we are here and we are who spawned us.

I thank  all of you....if I had not had this venue, I  might not have asked the hard questions and I might not have found the real answers.....I seek truth above all tings ....it is nice to know the real origins...

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 10:43 PM

View Postcormac mac airt, on 20 May 2013 - 08:02 PM, said:

Dont' be surprised if you come across several variations of the same surname either. One of my ancestral surnames "Riemensperger" had more than 12 active variations of the same surname at the same time. Talk about confusing.

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I know. Try Baranowski or some other Polish names like Kopincisky....

View PostJeremiah65, on 20 May 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

it is kind of staggering to come to terms with who we really are.  I had the wrong vision for ages....now I have to recalculate....it's a weird feeling.

I am pleased with what I have uncovered....not because it favors one race or another....but because I feel I now have the truth to deal with...there is no magic
transformation to explain anything....we are here and we are who spawned us.

I thank  all of you....if I had not had this venue, I  might not have asked the hard questions and I might not have found the real answers.....I seek truth above all tings ....it is nice to know the real origins...

Well, as to tracing "ancient origins" I have only been able to go so far as the Middle Ages. I've used all different types of online search engines, and I've also gone local libraries not far from here to do census and records, newspaper  information. I do this for a living, although I'm just starting out. But I'm doing pretty good (not raking in the dough, but I'm doing very well.)

How far back have you gotten? Where did you hit a brick wall?

Also, there is also the Battle Abbey Roll: http://midgleywebpag...battleroll.html

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Below is given a list of companions who supposedly accompanied William the b****** of Falaise, Duke of Normandy, [later William I of England] at the Battle of Hastings. For their services, each commander was granted lordship of large areas of English countryside, albeit each being widely separated from the other. To the victors went the spoils.
The list is an aggregate of a number of names from  different sources which have become known as the "Battle Abbey Rolls"4.  Prior to the Dissolution a scrolled tablet was hung in Battle Abbey, which reputedly held the names of the commanders at the battle. Various "copies" of this roll  with considerable additions and thus differences exist. The French government in 1931 produced yet another roll, the "Falaise Roll" which has considerable differences again. This roll of 315 persons is now  preserved on a bronze plaque at William the Conqueror's chapel in his castle at Falaise, although many were not added in time for the unveiling. Apparently this list is now held at the Falaise Town Hall, below the castle where William was born.8
There are 375 commanders shown below, from a total force of about 5000 men. Those shown in red are accepted by scholars6 to be extremely likely to have been at the Battle of Hastings. Many Anglo-Norman families have claimed descent from an ancestor who supposedly attended the great battle but few can show proof of this. It is probable that for many families who can demonstrate Norman descendancy, their progenitor entered England as a settler in the aftermath of the Conquest.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 11:30 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 20 May 2013 - 05:36 PM, said:

Ancestry.com and genealogy.com.  They showed me relatives I didn't know I had,  But it just doesn't go back far enough.
My understanding is that Ancestry.com offers genetic testing, reporting on the geographic origins of your DNA going back thousands of years.
It's a kit you order and send back with a sample.

It won't give you any names, but it would certainly illuminate some of your questions.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:21 AM

View PostHarte, on 20 May 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

My understanding is that Ancestry.com offers genetic testing, reporting on the geographic origins of your DNA going back thousands of years.
It's a kit you order and send back with a sample.

It won't give you any names, but it would certainly illuminate some of your questions.

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Very true!

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:14 PM

It's actually taken me a day to digest this new info.  It's not horrendous or upsetting....on one hand, it actually makes more sense than the path I was trying to pursue.

If the family migrated from Heidelburg as it appears they did....then that makes actually more sense than the route I was trying to follow.  Everyone knows the Germans have Nordic roots so....that makes perfect sense.  I was trying to tie what I thought happened to a Irish route.....which was plausible but I was getting no where.  This causes me to look at things from a different angle but....I think it will still end up in the same place.  The pale skin and red hair of the family is pretty easy to find origins for....Scandinavia.  

The lands of ice and snow are the only real origins for this odd genetic quality(I do not have red hair and pale skin by the way...I appear to take after my mother's side...the Scots).  Now I will try to find the source....I have suspicions..... but I just learned(as I have shared) that I cannot expect to be correct...I might be proven wrong.  I suspect the family spawned in Denmark or Finland....but thanks to recent revelations...I know that might be completely wrong...they could have origins in Sweden or Norway just as easily.

It is exciting to me....discovery....Man I love that!  To discover something new is an awesome feeling.  I will try to keep an open mind and follow this adventure wherever it leads me and I will try to have no preconceived notions...even though I do.  I "suspect" I know where this will end, but I will leave the door open for future discovery.

Thanks again to everyone who contributed....I appreciate the moral support.

Edited by Jeremiah65, 21 May 2013 - 10:18 PM.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:34 PM

You cannot really say that the Germans have Nordic roots, mate. Northern Germans and Scandinavians might have the same roots in some cases, in other they don't.

Given that you say your family comes from Heidelberg, which is pretty much down in the south, we could probably exclude that.

Finding one's heritage is very difficult. Good luck on that. :)


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 10:55 PM

Thanks Flombie, I appreciate the moral support.

I am trying to put all the cards back on the table and not make the same mistakes I have made in the past which was based on 'assumptions".

I won't do my cousins dirty and post pictures.....all I can say is that they are....the absolute 'whitest" people you will ever find....super pale white skin and fire(carrot) red hair.  The origins of that quality is not a mystery any more.  We know where this came from.

The fact the family left out of Heidelburg is not compromising to this idea....it is pretty centrally located.  It is south, but still pretty central.

It's an adventure.  I am very excited at the new discoveries and am excited to where they might lead.  Looking at maps of the region....it is not hard for me to see a family migrate from Denmark into the lower areas of Germany....especially years ago.  Could I be wrong?....absolutely!  But it is an adventure into discovery so....we will see where it leads.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:08 AM

I do the Ancestory.com and it can quickly give you too much information. Also, there are people who just put in all kinds of wack crap, like people having kids when they are less then 10 and some even where the children are older then the parents. These I just ignore. Sometimes I start digging into the names rather then the dates.

One thing to remember is that there is usually at least 3 generations every 100 years. And sometimes as many as 5. So to going back to 1066 is 947  (Is that right?) years, or about 29 generations. Maybe as many as 50 generations. If you only look for parents, tha is still going to be 2 to the 29th power, or about half a billion ancestors. Sorting through to try to find the one that was part of the Norman Conquest is not going to be easy. Including all the uncles and aunts (brothers and sisters of ancestors) is going to be be cripplingly big.

It is fun however. I found that on my Dad's side we go back to the nobility of Cheshire in the 14th and 15th centurys (Egerton, Grosvenor, Stanley). My ancestors moved into Wales and married back into farmers and miners after that.

Looking up ancestors that fought in the US Civil War and in the Revolutionary war. Ancestors who were Quakers that settled Pennsylvania. My wife has one ancestor who was killed during the Salem Witch Trials. Good Stuff.

I think the oldest person on my Ancestory.com list so far is from 1190. And noble. I think if you are going to find anyone all the way back to 1066, it would have to be a noble. No one else would have any records left from that time.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 12:28 AM

My father did a fair amount of genealogical research many years ago.  He actually had traveled to churches to look in their records for births, marriages and deaths.  Fortunately he met another person who was researching an intersecting branch of connected to ours, so they collaborated and shared their research.

My father's family traces back to Switzerland during the early 1600s, and the first direct ancestor immigrated to the U.S. on 8/30/1749 on the "Crown".  Most of the family is from the Lancaster county Pennsylvania area.

As long as there are paper records to follow, the research can be done.  If for ancient you are looking to trace to, i.e. 3rd century, it will be more difficult as records may or may not exist.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 04:27 PM

So glad you learned alot about your family Jeremiah65. I haven't tried doing my mother's family.Her father Joseph Popp came to America in 1919-1920,right after World War 1.In fact he met his wife,Emma Balogh( also spelled Belogh),on the boat that was taking them to America from Hungary. I'm trying to do my dad's side,the Hilperts first. I know a few things about them from my dad.The family is a very old .Most of the family lives in Bavaria,but we have cousins  who live in the Black Forest in Baden-Wurttenberg. The Hilperts in the Black Forest hold the position of hereditary foresters.How they got that position, and when  or why,I don't know.
The family is entitled to use von in their name, but most of the relatives don't seem to,even though they can. They were my dad said according to german records,landholders,military men(Generaloberst Carl Hilpert-Commander of Army Group Courland), artisans( Andreas and Johannes Georg Hilpert-the toy soldier makers) and petty court officials. Two of my cousins Clement and his son Clemens Hilpert were both burgermeisters of Himmelstadt.When my dad went TDY to England and Germany back in 1958 -59, he went to Garmisch. According to parish records, one of his relatives in the 1690s had been a burgermeister and had also served as a steward to the Grand duke or Prince  who was running the show at that time. Daddy's cousin told him that if he really wanted to know the family history,he should make a trip to Nuremburg,where the family historian,a lady,kept the family history book.Unfortunetly,he didn't have the time to go there.
I know a few things about his mother's side ,the Steldts,but not as much as the Hilperts.Some cousins of grandma the von Lilienschilds fought in the crusades,and go back in the records of the City of Riga to the 13th or 14th century.They belonged to an order of knights.Daddy didn't think it was the Teutonic Knights. Most likely,the Livonian Knights of the Sword.They later on amalgamated to the Teutonic Knights. The funny thing is,i have found that there is a company named van der Steldt in Holland, and they are a shipping company. I know Peter the Great invited the Dutch and German to come to Russia,as did Catherine the Great.It might be the Steldts are really of dutch origin,rather than german. My dad's grandmother,Anna Weichlein Hilpert i was told had relatives who lived in Kiev,so I assume that they may have come there when Catherine or Peter were recruiting germans.
Sometimes people don't get very far,because as you say, the desruction of records over the centuries due to fire,floods,wars,etc.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 04:51 PM

My ancestors came to India from Syria.

I don't have any means of searching anything beyond the time they landed in India.

I am sorts of hoping if there are any genetic detective agencies who snooping around genetic records.

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