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#31    Myles

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 03:56 PM

View PostDragonwind, on 20 May 2013 - 04:09 AM, said:

Have to also prove the coins were actually found at the beach in australia

I agree.   It's possible this (1) man's story isn't true.


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:26 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 20 May 2013 - 03:48 PM, said:

Not father in law Abe ... just an old drinking buddy ... lol

Over land trade routes might be easier to link to that date ... but the sea routes might be later by a few centuries ... I'm trying to get some verifications but things are a bit slow on the reply front... I'll keep you posted. :tu:

Ancient sea routes may be far older. Remember this thread? :

Ancient Maritime Sea Route: Egypt-India-China

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:30 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 May 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

Ancient sea routes may be far older. Remember this thread? :

Ancient Maritime Sea Route: Egypt-India-China

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I do ... I was more concerned about the Southern most regions ... do think it's possible ?
I do ... so far I think its quite possible ....

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 04:43 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 20 May 2013 - 04:30 PM, said:

I do ... I was more concerned about the Southern most regions ... do think it's possible ?
I do ... so far I think its quite possible ....

And even much older:

http://www.unexplain...65#entry4753623

"Their findings suggest substantial gene flow from India to Australia 4,230 years ago"


Australia was not as isolated as was always assumed.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 05:26 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 May 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

And even much older:

http://www.unexplain...65#entry4753623

"Their findings suggest substantial gene flow from India to Australia 4,230 years ago"


Australia was not as isolated as was always assumed.

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Okay ... seems that there have been recent findings in the old texts regarding 'Southern' territories but it is not identifiable or confirmed as as far south as Australia.
The thing to note is that it was regarded as not priority because there were no trading opportunities / merchant interest / worthwhile for the kingdom.

I wasn't provided the exact dates of the texts but if I read the message right ... they see 'no reason why it cannot be what I believe it to be' which either means the dates are close or the general direction south is right.

Hehehhe you just gotta love Mandarin

I am not too keen to run with this Abe ... I'll just wait for more from the research down under. :yes:

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 06:00 PM

View PostPersonFromPorlock, on 19 May 2013 - 11:10 PM, said:

"When Isenberg discovered the copper coins he also found four coins that originated from the Dutch East India Company — with one dating back to 1690...."

That right there would seem to blow away any chance that the copper coins were left there 1000 years ago.

A collection of 1000 year old coins could have been deposited anywhere from 1000 years ago up to yesterday.

Therefore it isnt proof in itself that Africans made it to Austrailia 1000 years ago. More substantial evidence is needed (carbon dated skeletal remains etc).


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 06:32 PM

View PostGiant Killer B, on 20 May 2013 - 06:00 PM, said:

A collection of 1000 year old coins could have been deposited anywhere from 1000 years ago up to yesterday.

Therefore it isnt proof in itself that Africans made it to Austrailia 1000 years ago. More substantial evidence is needed (carbon dated skeletal remains etc).

When was the last time you had 500 years old coins in your pocket? And then buried them?

OK, maybe they finally ended up in Australia by means of trade.

But there's already genetic proof Indians made it to Australia 4200 years ago.

Anyway, I agree with you: we need carbon dated remains.


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 06:47 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 20 May 2013 - 06:32 PM, said:

When was the last time you had 500 years old coins in your pocket? And then buried them?

OK, maybe they finally ended up in Australia by means of trade.

But there's already genetic proof Indians made it to Australia 4200 years ago.

Anyway, I agree with you: we need carbon dated remains.

Forgery is a concern and usually turns out to be the case when fantastic claims are made. We need evidence of the coins existing, that they were made 1000 years ago and confirmation of when they found their way to Austrailia.

Its unlikely that Africans made it to Austrailia when theres no evidence of them making it anywhere closer outside of their continent. Still the probability isnt 0% but I urge caution before we all jump up and down excited.

If one wants to stir up to pot properly we could point out that the Maori claim European looking people were the original inhabitants of their islands (blond hair, blue eyes, white skin). They call them cloud people.


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:07 PM

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Therefore it isnt proof in itself that Africans made it to Austrailia 1000 years ago.
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there's no need to suppose that africans DID make it to australia GKB, just that someone who'd traded in africa had.....

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:17 PM

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If one wants to stir up to pot properly we could point out that the Maori claim European looking people were the original inhabitants of their islands (blond hair, blue eyes, white skin). They call them cloud people.
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good point!
the south americans have a similar legend about a white man coming to their shores, and even describing him as having a beard, which south american's can't grow, so maybe there's some basis to the ancient mariner myths after all?
i'm not saying there IS mind, automatically ascribing truth to myth is stupid, and conjectural, and unscientific, but these blonde-haired, blue-eyed folk DID seem to get around a bit in days of yore, and they can't ALL have cadged a lift off passing spaceships.....
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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:32 PM

Huh. Don't know what to think. But I do like this from the article:

"And it’s not only about revisiting the beach that was marked with an ‘‘X’’ on Isenberg’s map.
He will also be looking for a secret cave Aboriginal legends talk about.
This cave is supposed to be close to the beach where Isenberg once found the coins and is said to be filled with doubloons and weaponry of an ancient era.
Should McIntosh and his team find what they are looking for, the find might not only be priceless treasure, but relics that could rewrite Australian history."


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 08:48 PM

View Postshrooma, on 20 May 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

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good point!
the south americans have a similar legend about a white man coming to their shores, and even describing him as having a beard, which south american's can't grow, so maybe there's some basis to the ancient mariner myths after all?
i'm not saying there IS mind, automatically ascribing truth to myth is stupid, and conjectural, and unscientific, but these blonde-haired, blue-eyed folk DID seem to get around a bit in days of yore, and they can't ALL have cadged a lift off passing spaceships.....
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The Chachapoya in South America was also called the cloud people by Incas (same people that originated from New Zealand?????).

They were Nordic in appearance -
http://voices.yahoo....681.html?cat=37
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DNA tests show they're related to ancient Europeans (Basques).


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Posted 20 May 2013 - 09:01 PM

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The Chachapoya in South America was also called the cloud people by Incas (same people that originated from New Zealand?????).

They were Nordic in appearance
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it DOES seem like one hell of a coincidence doesn't it GKB, and the nordic appearence would fit the bearded, fair-haired, blue-eyed appearance thing!
we all know how skilled the norsemen were at sailing & navigation, so who's to say that when leif ericsson took off west towards the americas, some of his mates didn't take off east and wound up in new zealand?
bit of a stretch I know, but certainly not impossible!

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 09:33 PM

Dutch knew where they sailed when they stumble upon Australia.

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Posted 20 May 2013 - 09:36 PM

Its kind a interesting that ancient Egyptians used boomerangs.

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