Ancients Coins in Australia

[shrooma]

Nope. The Cloud People of Peru were only described by the Spanish as being lighter skinned than other Peruvians, not blond or blue-eyed or anything like that. It's only in shoddy articles like those posted that they become Nordics. Actual anthropological studies show they're culturally and racially Amerindian.

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I was referring to the legends of the south americans themselves, of veracocha and quatzlcoatl, depicted as pale skinned and bearded. even the inca themselves thought the spanish were veracocha returning on account of their paleness.

[+DieChecker]

From the OP:

Or the coins could’ve washed ashore after a shipwreck.

I think this is the most likely explaination. A time of War.... Lots of people, including powerful Captains, out at sea for months at a time. Probably someone brought their Coin Collection with them and when their ship sunk the coins (maybe in a box?) ended up on these islands. After all the coins are 1000 to 400 years old, right? So obviously someone did not come there 5 times and drop a coin there. And they are remarked that they are not very valuable, just old and rare (Which you would think WOULD make them valuable, but who am I to decide that?).

I agree with Giant Killer, these coins were found in the sand on a beach... not even worn down. They could have gotten there anytime between 1690 and 1944. But, IMHO, they most likely ended up there very recent to being found. Otherwise they would have disappeared into the sand.

When was the last time you had 500 years old coins in your pocket? And then buried them?

They actually were not buried. The article said that Mr McIntosh found them sitting in the sand... on the surface of the sand.

While sitting in the sand with his fishing-rod, he discovered a handful of coins in the sand.

Edited May 21, 2013 by DieChecker

[pallidin]

Were doubloons around 1000 yrs ago? and it's a bit to early to be Capt Kidds loot

Huh. Good point.

[bigjonalien]

I wish tourist's would stop littering in my country

[jaylemurph]

DNA studies show a certain percentage of pacific peoples (and cloud people) had/have dna being to European haplotypes - http://www.polynesian-prehistory.com/ -

Historical records also show that upon discovery there are reports of white people having green or blue eyes. Traights which only occur in people of European ancestory. [sic]

Not so:

Blue eyes are most common in Ireland, the Baltic Sea area and Northern Europe,^[33] and are also found in Eastern, Central, and Southern Europe. Blue eyes are also found in parts of Western Asia^[34][35] and Levant, especially among the Jewish population of Israel. Many modern Israeli Jews are of European Ashkenazi origin, among whom this

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_eyes#Blue)

--Jaylemurph

[+DieChecker]

Yeah. I read several years ago (When discussing blue eyes in another thread here on UM) that blue eyes have evolved seperately at least 3 times. Including some people who are in northern China. The blue eyed Asians have been shown to have blue eyes from a totally different mutation in the eye color gene then the mutation in Europeans.

If I am remembering correctly that is....

I guess I could try looking it up... Maybe tomorrow during the day...

EDIT: Or... Maybe it was Blonde hair?? There are several independant evolutions of blond hair around the world.

Can't seem to find that blue eyed Asian link....

Edited May 21, 2013 by DieChecker

[Mr Right Wing]

Not so:

Blue eyes are most common in Ireland, the Baltic Sea area and Northern Europe,^[33] and are also found in Eastern, Central, and Southern Europe. Blue eyes are also found in parts of Western Asia^[34][35] and Levant, especially among the Jewish population of Israel. Many modern Israeli Jews are of European Ashkenazi origin, among whom this

(http://en.wikipedia..../Blue_eyes#Blue)

--Jaylemurph

Blue, grey and green eyes are found wherever Europeans are or have been. They arent found in African, Polynesian, Indian, Chinese or native american populations without them having some European descent.

If you check the genes responsible for blue, grey and green eyes, white skin, red and blond hair you'll discover they're European. The European (Aryan) race evolved in Central Asia. Their homeland was Iran and Iranian even means Aryan. Before the Mongols and Arabs did Iran they looked like your average Englishman, German or Frenchman. Many still do.

The Tocharians are an ancient European lineage that did Western China and Tibet - http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Tocharians - Notice their blond and red hair in their artwork. Europeans from the silk trade also settled into the area. Another lineage invaded India and Alexander the Great also did the area. This is why some Asians have European traights.

Edited May 21, 2013 by Giant Killer B

[Big Bad Voodoo]

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didn't know that L, thanks!

See post 103.

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=247474&st=90

[jaylemurph]

Blue, grey and green eyes are found wherever Europeans are or have been. They arent found in African, Polynesian, Indian, Chinese or native american populations without them having some European descent.

If you check the genes responsible for blue, grey and green eyes, white skin, red and blond hair you'll discover they're European. The European (Aryan) race evolved in Central Asia. Their homeland was Iran and Iranian even means Aryan. Before the Mongols and Arabs did Iran they looked like your average Englishman, German or Frenchman. Many still do.

The Tocharians are an ancient European lineage that did Western China and Tibet - http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Tocharians - Notice their blond and red hair in their artwork. Europeans from the silk trade also settled into the area. Another lineage invaded India and Alexander the Great also did the area. This is why some Asians have European traights.

I was going to try to have an intelligent conversation with you and urge to review what DieC said, but then you go and start talking about a single European (Aryan!) race, so clearly any intelligent conversation is pointless.

And, by they way, it's "trait", not "traight". You might be able to fool the next person who wants to talk intelligently with you longer if you spell that correctly.

--Jaylemurph

Edited May 21, 2013 by jaylemurph

[Quaentum]

Were I to hazard a guess it would be coins from one of the many shipwrecks on Australia's coasts. Either dropped by a survivor who made their way to that island or washed there by the current.

[Big Bad Voodoo]

Maybe Arabs realy came to Australia.

[andy hair candy]

Im so exited to follow this one

[DKO]

There are in infamous Gosford Glyphs. When they were discovered people jumped to the conclusion that Ancient Egyptians visited Australia.

Article with an Egyptologist debunking the whole thing: http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-12-14/glyphs-reax/4428134

[jaylemurph]

Man, those even /look/ like fakes. I could do a better job and I don't read/understand hieroglyphics.

--Jaylemurph

[SHaYap]

Makes one does wonder about how the Ancient Egyptians did their temple hieroglyphics so well on harder rocks with just the tools available to them too doesn't it ?

[Sum1uallno]

I wish tourist's would stop littering in my country

I agree... Are you able to specify a certain type of person who does this?

[Sum1uallno]

Makes one does wonder about how the Ancient Egyptians did their temple hieroglyphics so well on harder rocks with just the tools available to them too doesn't it ?

I believe they are much older.

[Sum1uallno]

Blue, grey and green eyes are found wherever Europeans are or have been. They arent found in African, Polynesian, Indian, Chinese or native american populations without them having some European descent.

If you check the genes responsible for blue, grey and green eyes, white skin, red and blond hair you'll discover they're European. The European (Aryan) race evolved in Central Asia. Their homeland was Iran and Iranian even means Aryan. Before the Mongols and Arabs did Iran they looked like your average Englishman, German or Frenchman. Many still do.

The Tocharians are an ancient European lineage that did Western China and Tibet - http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Tocharians - Notice their blond and red hair in their artwork. Europeans from the silk trade also settled into the area. Another lineage invaded India and Alexander the Great also did the area. This is why some Asians have European traights.

if you would like to laugh...

http://thehistoricalcontext.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/blue-eyes-and-intelligent-design/ for a serious interest.

[Sum1uallno]

http://thehistoricalcontext.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/blue-eyes-and-intelligent-design/

Blue Eyes and Intelligent Design

February 26, 2010

No, this is not an article about Frank Sinatra!

[Codenwarra]

There isn't any mystery about this really. The Dutch were pottering about the coast of northern Australia in 1606. On the subject of the Gulf of Carpentaria Wikipedia has this to say:

"The first known European explorer to visit the region was the Dutch Willem Janszoon (whose name is also written as Jansz) in his 1606 voyage. His fellow countryman, Jan Carstenszoon (or Carstensz), visited in 1623 and named the gulf in honour of Pieter de Carpentier, at that time the Governor-General of the Dutch East Indies. Abel Tasman also explored the coast in 1644. The region was later explored and charted by Matthew Flinders in 1802 and 1803."

Now for those who sneer at Wikipedia, every Australian school child was taught about this when I was in primary school.

The more or less rectangular region on the mainland just east of the city of Darwin is called Arnhem Land. It acquired this name after Cape Arnhem named for the ship "Arnhem", which in turn was named for the city in Holland. The Dutch made various voyages into the region right up to the 1700s, which makes the 1690 coin completely unsurprising, particularly if found on islands off the coast. The archives of the Dutch East India Company might even identify which voyages landed on the Wessel Islands soon after 1690.

Aside from the Dutch, the relatively advanced civilisations of Indonesian islands had seamen of their own who were in regular contact with north coastal aboriginal people. They would sail down to the nothern coasts on the monsoon, stay for a few months to take "sea cumcumber", which was dried and later sent as far as China. Some of the local people returned with them to various Indonesian islands.

Cook did not "discover Australia" In his 1770 voyage he mapped the east coast accurately, which showed that the suspected southern continent was further west than some others believed and that it was not made up of a large number of smallish islands, as yet others believed. The west and north coasts had been sporadically visited by the Dutch, English and possibly the Spanish and Portuguese over two centuries. The entire coast was not mapped until the early 1800s, well after the settlement at Sydney

How someone got hold of thousand year old African coins may be a mystery, but the trading routes across the north Indian Ocean seem to be a pretty good explanation.

Edited June 12, 2013 by Codenwarra

[Harte]

Welcome to the forum, Codenwarra.

I was wondering if anyone would mention that Cook didn't "discover" the place.

IIRC, Cook navigated there based on maps already in his possession.

Harte

[DKO]

The Dutch had landed on Australian shores a few times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_exploration_of_Australia

Here's one of their earlier maps.