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#31    minera

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:43 AM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 20 May 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

'symbol of hate' !!!   it's the English flag you muppet.
Obviously they know nothing about the British flag. Some just have nothing better to do than to complain about everything. Off with his head! He just insulted the English flag in England of all places. All this stupidity is incomprehensible.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:28 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 20 May 2013 - 09:44 PM, said:

That some are willing to personally call others names shows anger, coupled with the demonstrated intolerance toward Muslims, it all leaves little doubt that such measures as described in the OP are necessary.

Whilst it may be unnecessary to resort to name-calling, you did kinda ask for it.

It's the St. George's Cross, not a swastika.

Edited by Arbenol68, 21 May 2013 - 06:32 AM.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:37 AM

Are we in the third grade?

"I called him a name because he asked for it?"

Nah, there is a good reason it is going to be taken down.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:45 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 20 May 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Well, while nativist and/or Islamophobic views are expected they are not universally appreciated.

Some of us are glad this symbol of hate will be removed. Good marks to whoever reported it and hopefully it will inform others to do the same whenever symbols of intolerance are encountered, however well disguised or claims of innocence proclaimed. Now he knows.

You seem to be under the impression that tolerance is a one-sided coin - it isn't. I'm guessing that's how you're able to recognise the crescent as representing an entire religion and not any minority group within it, yet completely disregard your own stance when it comes to saying an entire countries flag represents a minority group within it and is therefore a symbol of hate. It's double standards like that which makes situations like this far worse.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:46 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 20 May 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Well, while nativist and/or Islamophobic views are expected they are not universally appreciated.

Some of us are glad this symbol of hate will be removed. Good marks to whoever reported it and hopefully it will inform others to do the same whenever symbols of intolerance are encountered, however well disguised or claims of innocence proclaimed. Now he knows.
Symbol of hate? It's not a giant Swastika or KKK symbol. Seriously, get a sense of proportion.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:48 AM

View Postminera, on 21 May 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

Obviously they know nothing about the British flag. Some just have nothing better to do than to complain about everything. Off with his head! He just insulted the English flag in England of all places. All this stupidity is incomprehensible.

I think Its actually a reflection of the real feeling towards Englishness when the flag of a Nation is allowed to be belittled by its removal, especially in light of recent political gains by  UKIP and the growing numbers of groups like the EDL, its almost as if the majority are being punished for the views of the few..  


But ultimately in reply to the original point, I think if you don't own your property then your at the mercy of the landlord and so dont really have a leg to stand on...if it was his own home then thats a different issue.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:51 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 21 May 2013 - 06:37 AM, said:

Are we in the third grade?

"I called him a name because he asked for it?"

Nah, there is a good reason it is going to be taken down.

You think you're a liberal, don't you? You're wrong.

Explain why it is offensive.

Edited by Arbenol68, 21 May 2013 - 06:53 AM.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:56 AM

Not really thinking about myself or about any other poster in a negative way.

There is a topic. Focus on that, if you can.

I could explain why it is offensive to some, but it would just open myself up for attack instead of actually considering our views, dismiss my views if you wish, attack them all you want, once we begin to try and personally offend others, name call, saying it is deserved, and "you think you are this but you are not" well count me out.

Maybe that is how they talk at the pub with brews, but some of us prefer a different type of conversation.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 21 May 2013 - 06:58 AM.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:01 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 21 May 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

There is a topic. Focus on that, if you can.

OK. Fair enough. No more ad hominems.........I promise.

I'm genuinely interested, though. Why do you consider the English flag to be offensive?


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:11 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 21 May 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

Not really thinking about myself or about any other poster in a negative way.

There is a topic. Focus on that, if you can.

I could explain why it is offensive to some, but it would just open myself up for attack instead of actually considering our views, dismiss my views if you wish, attack them all you want, once we begin to try and personally offend others, name call, saying it is deserved, and "you think you are this but you are not" well count me out.

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By all means do. If you're going to say that various racist groups or organisations have used it to promote their views which are consdidered offensive, I'm sure the same could be said for racist groups in any country using that country's Flag. Why should this one be a particular cause for shame? It's not even as if the racist groups or organisations are all that influential or effective, certainly comapred with racist groups in some other countries they're very small beer indeed.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:42 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 21 May 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

Not really thinking about myself or about any other poster in a negative way.

There is a topic. Focus on that, if you can.

I could explain why it is offensive to some, but it would just open myself up for attack instead of actually considering our views, dismiss my views if you wish, attack them all you want, once we begin to try and personally offend others, name call, saying it is deserved, and "you think you are this but you are not" well count me out.

Maybe that is how they talk at the pub with brews, but some of us prefer a different type of conversation.

Again - how can you label an entire nations flag as offensive, yet not apply the same standard to all flags and symbols?


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:10 AM

Wait a second, surely he should have the Union Jack? Since all armed forces fly the Union Jack? Not the St.George's flag?


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:15 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 21 May 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

By all means do. If you're going to say that various racist groups or organisations have used it to promote their views which are consdidered offensive, I'm sure the same could be said for racist groups in any country using that country's Flag. Why should this one be a particular cause for shame? It's not even as if the racist groups or organisations are all that influential or effective, certainly comapred with racist groups in some other countries they're very small beer indeed.

But it isn't just one person who is willing to make this thread about persons who post here instead of topics.

For example, instead of saying , "You seem to be under the impression that tolerance is a one-sided coin," it could have simply been phrased as: tolerance is not a one-sided coin, etc, etc....

And instead of, "how can you label an entire nations flag as offensive," one could have asked: how can only one entire nation's flag be labeled as offensive when the same standard should be applied to all flags and symbols, etc, etc...?

Both questions following the crimson highlighted parts above are ones I would love to answer, but when we make it about attacking one poster, and having that poster defend himself, instead of simply offer and exchange views, some are not going to be accustomed to that type of discussion. It does not seem stimulating to me. It is why I stopped having discussions in the Americas sections, and probably why you won't find me willing to converse much here either now. It just does not seem like a sophisticated way of communication for me but carry on since all seem to enjoy that type of discussion, count me out. We all have standards, mine will be met or I will simply move on. Take care.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:21 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 21 May 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

But it isn't just one person who is willing to make this thread about persons who post here instead of topics.

For example, instead of saying , "You seem to be under the impression that tolerance is a one-sided coin," it could have simply been phrased as: tolerance is not a one-sided coin, etc, etc....

And instead of, "how can you label an entire nations flag as offensive," one could have asked: how can only one entire nation's flag be labeled as offensive when the same standard should be applied to all flags and symbols, etc, etc...?

Both questions following the crimson highlighted parts above are ones I would love to answer, but when we make it about attacking one poster, and having that poster defend himself, instead of simply offer and exchange views, some are not going to be accustomed to that type of discussion. It does not seem stimulating to me. It is why I stopped having discussions in the Americas sections, and probably why you won't find me willing to converse much here either now. It just does not seem like a sophisticated way of communication for me but carry on since all seem to enjoy that type of discussion, count me out. We all have standards, mine will be met or I will simply move on. Take care.

Good grief. You have stated your opinion, I am asking you questions about your opinion. There would be no point in me asking questions about a general opinion, since it's your opinion that has been posted, and your opinion i'm interested in. That is not attacking you - that is having a discussion, which is the very premise of what a forum is about.


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:23 AM

Again, different standards of discussion, a forum has room for all types. Not just the confrontational prove the other guy wrong type.

No one has to change for anyone else but no one has to be drawn into debates that are not their style either. I usually prefer general opinion discussions and questioning those.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 21 May 2013 - 09:29 AM.





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