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#16    through the fire

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 04:44 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 22 May 2013 - 04:20 PM, said:



The thread was to compare overall issues, how issues are bundled, and included American history since we will repeat it in that out of all the issues tied together in the past by one group, there will be some that succeed and some that do not throughout time. Perspective is important because too many consider their overall platforms as a win or lose all type of situation while ignoring negotiation and slower paced dialogue.

For instance Susan B Anthony first spoke up at a group who were against drinking. The men there said women could not speak publicly. She then helped start the suffragette movement. So at that time many against drinking were really against saloons where the new class of Southern European (Catholic) immigrants gathered and began voting against the more traditional (at that time) Protestant American values as a result of thr saloons.

So we had the KKK at that time against immigration from Catholic countries, against saloons, against the developing urban values, but they also supported the right for women to vote because they thought women would vote for Prohibition, and women would because they also hated saloons since many men would spend far too much money there while drinking and ending up cheating in some cases.

There were a host of other issues which the NPR interview found in the OP link discusses.

We can see that throughout time women did get the right to vote but that Prohibition ultimately failed even if at that time if you were for one issue you were most likely for other issues as well and the group you were in all agreed.

We are not in win all or lose all situations. What we believe can be detangled and in time one issue we support will be embraced nationally and ultimately while another will be forgotten.

Of course this is just one angle of discussion. Others can choose to simply use this thread to attack the other side in a very broad based way. No problems or worries from me.

But if others want a deeper conversation with less contention then that is most welcomed by me.

Dispassionate forecast is another angle: in the future it is possible we will see same-sex marriage allowed in all 50 states, an overall strengthening of universal rights, tighter gun control but we will not see gun confiscations, those in the countryside will continue hunting and purchasing firearms, their culture will be better respected.

Consumerism will not chiefly dominate, the next big issues might be better debt control, making people and corporations more responsible, less borrowing and profiting on debt, the national infrastructure will become a bigger issue as our streets and infrastructure like water and gas lines are repaired, better damage control in natural disasters, and better neighborhoods with less violent (already going down) and property crimes.

For me the most important issues are better schools and healthcare. Less attacking others and wanting to see heads roll and more
cooperation to strenghten our nation.

The current polarization is just a phase and will not last.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 05:49 PM

View Postthrough the fire, on 22 May 2013 - 04:44 PM, said:

Are you lonely?

Why? Cause he pays attention to history and thinks?

Heaven and hell suppose two distinct species of men, the good and the bad. But the greatest part of mankind float betwixt vice and virtue. - David Hume

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 06:53 PM

View PostAlmagest, on 22 May 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:



Why? Cause he pays attention to history and thinks?

Just a hunch because he spouts the ramblings of many lonely people I've met. What's sadder is he's doing it on an Internet forum.





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