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Wright Brothers were NOT first to fly a plane


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#1    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:36 PM

http://www.dailymail...on-journal.html



Gustave Whitehead is believed to have flown his Condor plane in August 1901 - more than two years before the Wright Brothers' infamous flight

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:45 PM

still wrong, both Hiram Maxim (1894, 250 yards) and Clement Ader (1896 and 1897, 300 and ~1000 yards) managed to lift off a contraption before Weisskopf. They both just had a problem with landing their contraptions in one piece.

Edited by questionmark, 22 May 2013 - 08:46 PM.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:52 PM

Flying machines ... I might add ... no one ever flew .... at least no men or women ever flew .. not even now ....

Whereas ... insects and birds been flying for millions of years if I'm not mistaken ....

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:54 PM

a yorkshireman managed to get there 50yrs before the lot of 'em!
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http://en.m.wikipedi...i/George_Cayley
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 08:56 PM

yorkshire puddings for the win !!

dang daily mail reporters don't know the wiki enough methinks ....

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:02 PM

View Postshrooma, on 22 May 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

a yorkshireman managed to get there 50yrs before the lot of 'em!
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http://en.m.wikipedi...i/George_Cayley
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Not quite, while Cayley has certainly established the foundations for aerodynamics, except for the coachman legend there is no evidence that he ever built anything with an engine... or without it for the case. There were several models build but nothing the size a man could sit in. The honor of being the first to fly a glider pulled by a horse (and where there is ample evidence to substantiate it) goes to Percy Sinclair Pilcher, of Stanford Park, England... but that was in 1899.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:05 PM

I got his tale from a book called ''curing hiccups with small fires~a miscellany of great british eccentrics''
it's a great book if you want to learn about the character of us brits, and george cayley WAS a bit of an oddball.....
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:12 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 22 May 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:



Not quite, while Cayley has certainly established the foundations for aerodynamics, except for the coachman legend there is no evidence that he ever built anything with an engine... or without it for the case.
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no-one mentioned having an engine as being a pre-requisite for the topic, just 'being the first to fly'
and the coachman's statement of 'i'll be buggered if i'm doing THAT again' would certainly mean that it was fact and not 'legend'.....

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 09:15 PM

Yeah, I think there is mounting evidence that the Wright brothers were not the first.

However, I would like to suggest that crashing a plane during landing doesn't seem(to me) to qualify as a "successful" flight, and thus should be stricken from consideration as a "first flight". Rather, those types of developmental flights could be considered "test flights"


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:10 PM

My only question to L is


HOW THE HECK IS THIS ANCIENT MYSYERY-ISH OR ALTERNATIVE HISTORY-ISH?????


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:21 PM

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sorry i am drunk. when i am drunk i am brutally straight forward!!!
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drunk?
on a wednesday?!
lucky b******!!
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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:24 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 22 May 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

My only question to L is


HOW THE HECK IS THIS ANCIENT MYSYERY-ISH OR ALTERNATIVE HISTORY-ISH?????


sorry i am drunk. when i am drunk i am brutally straight forward!!!


I think, after a certain time of day, I might installI a breathalyzer on my computer during forum response.   :w00t:


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:25 PM

View PostThe_Spartan, on 22 May 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

My only question to L is


HOW THE HECK IS THIS ANCIENT MYSYERY-ISH OR ALTERNATIVE HISTORY-ISH?????


sorry i am drunk. when i am drunk i am brutally straight forward!!!

It's older than "the L".  :devil:

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:42 PM

Well I think that cormac already gave explaination. :lol:

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:27 AM

View Postshrooma, on 22 May 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

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no-one mentioned having an engine as being a pre-requisite for the topic, just 'being the first to fly'
and the coachman's statement of 'i'll be buggered if i'm doing THAT again' would certainly mean that it was fact and not 'legend'.....

Then the Mongolfier brothers beat them all...

Edited by questionmark, 23 May 2013 - 10:28 AM.

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