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#16    Spiral staircase

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:29 PM

View PostHilander, on 22 May 2013 - 09:20 PM, said:



A Muslim man said he did because of British troops being on Arab land.  What a nut, glad the police shot them.

I feel for the soldier they murdered and for his family.

When we rise above partiality and also begin to care for the women and children whom our bombs and drones kill over there then things could change.

They showed restraint by not targeting our women and children as we do theirs and dismiss as collateral damage without any other consideration, the same consideration some only show for ours, such as this soldier's family who get to live.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:32 PM

When I first saw the videos that showed civilians milling around taking cell phone videos, my first thought was what happened to British/Victorian Stoicism? The land of Kipling, Baden-Powell and Churchill. What had changed? Then I read this dialogue from Scout leader Ingrid Loyau-Kennett

"She has told The Telegraph how she held her nerve while engaging the alleged attackers in conversation as one told her: 'We want to start a war in London tonight'.
She told the man: 'Right now it is only you versus many people, you are going to lose, what would you like to do?'"


Well done !

Now where are all the men?


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:33 PM

View PostSweetpumper, on 22 May 2013 - 09:54 PM, said:

Too bad the soldier wasn't armed.

Luckily the families of the women and children our foreign policy makers murder do not also have jets and drones to attack us as we do them. If we did there would be more destruction in this world. The outrage any of us could feel over this incident should be compared to the outrage they feel. Without being able to complete that exercise we will rightfully be seen as selfish and clueless to the overall broader geopolitical situation. Only by understanding that could we secure a more stable world. The peace we desire for ours will never be achieved until we desire the same peace for all.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 10:57 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 22 May 2013 - 10:33 PM, said:

Luckily the families of the women and children our foreign policy makers murder do not also have jets and drones to attack us as we do them. If we did there would be more destruction in this world. The outrage any of us could feel over this incident should be compared to the outrage they feel. Without being able to complete that exercise we will rightfully be seen as selfish and clueless to the overall broader geopolitical situation. Only by understanding that could we secure a more stable world. The peace we desire for ours will never be achieved until we desire the same peace for all.

You do know you are a target no matter what your political affiliation is? You're an American right? These extremists don't care who you side with...you've got a bullseye on your back. You aren't immune by any means.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:02 PM

I thought they were african muslims. but 1 of them has a london accent. so i'm assuming 1 of them is english which makes it all the more scarier.
i don't understand what he means by our land. is he referring to somewhere in africa or a muslim country?
anyway it's a scary and horrible attack. i hope there's not a cell of them and hopefully no other attacks from any other terrorists


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:07 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 22 May 2013 - 10:33 PM, said:

Luckily the families of the women and children our foreign policy makers murder do not also have jets and drones to attack us as we do them. If we did there would be more destruction in this world. The outrage any of us could feel over this incident should be compared to the outrage they feel. Without being able to complete that exercise we will rightfully be seen as selfish and clueless to the overall broader geopolitical situation. Only by understanding that could we secure a more stable world. The peace we desire for ours will never be achieved until we desire the same peace for all.
I truely wish Britany, I could.
Simple fact is, Muslim' s are CRAZY RELIGIOUS NUTS that have no right to peddle their sick views on every one who's not Muslim or view us as lessor human beings to be sacrificed for their purpose or to make a point,
But I do understand what you say, and I will constantly remind myself today of your wise words, because it's the truth. Thank you, now I can breathe again.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:08 PM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 22 May 2013 - 10:33 PM, said:

Luckily the families of the women and children our foreign policy makers murder do not also have jets and drones to attack us as we do them. If we did there would be more destruction in this world. The outrage any of us could feel over this incident should be compared to the outrage they feel. Without being able to complete that exercise we will rightfully be seen as selfish and clueless to the overall broader geopolitical situation. Only by understanding that could we secure a more stable world. The peace we desire for ours will never be achieved until we desire the same peace for all.

Jesus, sympathy for murderers. Unbelievable. The whole reason we have jets and drones over there is because they murdered thousands of Americans. Remember that?

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:13 PM

View PostMichelle, on 22 May 2013 - 10:57 PM, said:



You do know you are a target no matter what your political affiliation is? You're an American right? These extremists don't care who you side with...you've got a bullseye on your back. You aren't immune by any means.

Is this supposed to make one scared to the point of blind hatred that continues the cycle of blowback, not care for those over there who could be a victim of our policies including the loss of their whole families and homes at once, or to stop attempting to understand why we are receiving minimal damage compared to the maximum damage we offer others, or wanting a more stable world?

Political positions now only divide those who want stability and solutions and those who want to continue intolerance and war for profit. When all people want the same thing we will have change. For now it is so easy to blame the intolerant and war profiteers for all the damage they and us receive.

Edited by Leave Britney alone!, 22 May 2013 - 11:22 PM.


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:22 PM

What the hell is wrong with you Brits? I mean, did you see the video? Many many people around and no one went after this murdering #%*^.
Had that scum just stood around the scene in America his ass would've been apprehended or worse, no, better.

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 22 May 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:


When we rise above partiality and also begin to care for the women and children whom our bombs and drones kill over there then things could change.

They showed restraint by not targeting our women and children as we do theirs and dismiss as collateral damage without any other consideration, the same consideration some only show for ours, such as this soldier's family who get to live.

Sickening statement. He chopped a dude up with kitchen utensils in front of decent people and you call that restraint.

Edited by F3SS, 22 May 2013 - 11:24 PM.

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:28 PM

View PostThe New Richard Nixon, on 22 May 2013 - 09:23 PM, said:

Actually one of the suspects was not Muslim more of a African background like Nigeria or Mali, the latter in my case.

Dumbest comment I've read for a long time


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Posted 22 May 2013 - 11:36 PM

View Postredhen, on 22 May 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

When I first saw the videos that showed civilians milling around taking cell phone videos, my first thought was what happened to British/Victorian Stoicism? The land of Kipling, Baden-Powell and Churchill. What had changed? Then I read this dialogue from Scout leader Ingrid Loyau-Kennett

"She has told The Telegraph how she held her nerve while engaging the alleged attackers in conversation as one told her: 'We want to start a war in London tonight'.
She told the man: 'Right now it is only you versus many people, you are going to lose, what would you like to do?'"


Well done !

Now where are all the men?
I don't see how she was able to stand there talking to him without losing it.  Brave woman.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 12:58 AM

Maybe it's time to allow off duty soldiers to carry handguns,it might not have helped in this case as i understand they hit him with their car first.This opens up a whole new dimension of terrorism, and there will be more attacks.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:00 AM

View PostF3SS, on 22 May 2013 - 11:22 PM, said:

What the hell is wrong with you Brits? I mean, did you see the video? Many many people around and no one went after this murdering #%*^.
Had that scum just stood around the scene in America his ass would've been apprehended or worse, no, better.

Apparently it's called the bystander effect. Do a quick search and you'll find no end of similar situations occurring in America. Everyone likes to think they would act, but the reality is that few do.


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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:09 AM

View PostLeave Britney alone!, on 22 May 2013 - 10:29 PM, said:

When we rise above partiality and also begin to care for the women and children whom our bombs and drones kill over there then things could change.

They showed restraint by not targeting our women and children as we do theirs and dismiss as collateral damage without any other consideration, the same consideration some only show for ours, such as this soldier's family who get to live.
Sailing along on the "good ship LollyPop" are we?  These men BEHEADED an innocent man just because he wore the uniform of his country.  I'm not even British and I find your statements disgusting.  I will not argue with your ilk over this kind of situation but I will say THIS..... I hope you get EVERYTHING you have coming in the future due to your attitudes and stances.  A day may well come when the EDL will no longer be considered radical or marginal as they are now.  AFAIC a man or woman who has no loyalty to blood and country is useless to everyone - even those he supports.  Did it ever occur to you that we did not START this little soire'?  No, I'm sure it didn't because you blame everyone except those who do the killing.  DONE with you and your silliness.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 01:11 AM

View PostSweetpumper, on 22 May 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

Jesus, sympathy for murderers. Unbelievable. The whole reason we have jets and drones over there is because they murdered thousands of Americans. Remember that?
He doesn't CARE about that.  It makes me want to puke.

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