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Can humanity afford a real life Star Trek ?


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#16    Dark_Grey

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 06:56 PM

3D printers are the answer. Maybe not for the hull, but most of the interior could be mass replicated. Instead of making, say, 10,000 knobs out of aluminium, just print them with PVC for 1/10 the cost

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:00 PM

View Postshrooma, on 23 May 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

with the advent of transporters, money would become obsolete. after all, where could you safely keep it? and when replicators come along, you can just whip up as much cash as you need!
vivé la trek!

View Postshrooma, on 23 May 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

with the advent of transporters, money would become obsolete. after all, where could you safely keep it? and when replicators come along, you can just whip up as much cash as you need!
vivé la trek!

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:06 PM

View Postdanielost, on 23 May 2013 - 07:00 PM, said:



This is why the beast will have us change to credits and keep track of it on computer.  This is why you won't be able to buy or sell with out the mark.  The mark is the key to your account.  I think god will just do away with money, just a guess nothing to back t up with.
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it's pretty obvious that the current system, capitalism, isn't working, and while communism is sound on paper, outside of small collectives it's completely unworkable, so SOMETHING'S gotta give, but what will replace it is anybody's gues.....

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:10 PM

View Postshrooma, on 23 May 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

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it's pretty obvious that the current system, capitalism, isn't working, and while communism is sound on paper, outside of small collectives it's completely unworkable, so SOMETHING'S gotta give, but what will replace it is anybody's gues.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin, or something similar. It's catching on - can you imagine a world without corporate/government regulated currency??

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:21 PM

View Postshrooma, on 23 May 2013 - 09:06 PM, said:

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it's pretty obvious that the current system, capitalism, isn't working, and while communism is sound on paper, outside of small collectives it's completely unworkable, so SOMETHING'S gotta give, but what will replace it is anybody's gues.....

I have an idea. Lets just do what we deem most fitting, like the bitcoin thing, let the people decide what currency system they abide by instead of forcing them to capitalism, communism or whatever. Then you got less room to complain and worry about. There'll always be a need for traders to organize the systems probably, but giving traders a major part of the profits like we do to bankers and such now, is hardly necessary. The people today are too driven to gather something they'll just have to let go of in some decades anyhow when they die, a massive vanity.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:29 PM

View PostMikko-kun, on 23 May 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

I have an idea. Lets just do what we deem most fitting, like the bitcoin thing, let the people decide what currency system they abide by instead of forcing them to capitalism, communism or whatever. Then you got less room to complain and worry about. There'll always be a need for traders to organize the systems probably, but giving traders a major part of the profits like we do to bankers and such now, is hardly necessary. The people today are too driven to gather something they'll just have to let go of in some decades anyhow when they die, a massive vanity.

The thing about BitCoin is that you can't just...make more of it. It is a currency that can't be inflated. That is a huge bonus

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:50 PM

Financially, I don't see a problem. We're (The USA) already borrowing a trillion and a half each year (or more?). If the construction was spread out over 4 or 5 years, the cost could probably even be hidden from the Public.

Also got to remember that in Star Trek, the world is one government. So all nations (member nations?) would be taking a chunk of the cost.

I'm assuming the hundreds of trillions is for the anti-matter??

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:32 PM

In "The Voyage Home" when Kirk and Gillian were having lunch and when it came to paying she asked Kirk "Don't tell me, there's no money in the 24th century?", it hit me that the United Federation of Planets is a communism without the selfserving leadership that plagues all forms of government, even ours. Everyone has a purpose (employment), meals, a place to live, medical care, specials needs (such as the mental, emotional and physically challenged) are cared for. Everyone is equal. The specifics are endless. The world of Star Trek is more than space ships, it's a state of mind. A utopian society that we will never reach because of, well, the 7 deadly sins is a good place to start. Planet earth is neck deep in them.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:48 PM

View PostDBunker, on 23 May 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

The First Contact took place on the evening of April 5, 2063, when a Vulcan survey ship, the T'Plana-Hath, having detected the warp signature of the Phoenix, touched down in Bozeman, central Montana, where they met with the Phoenix's designer and pilot, Zefram Cochrane.

http://en.memory-alp...i/First_contact

Yes, about ten years after WWIII...

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 12:59 AM

We are going backwards, the meek ( low wage low educated, government dependent ) are inheriting the world, there will be no money for space advancements. Look at NASA most of their budget is gone, the federal government needed it to pay for entitlement programs.

Private industry is not going to do much either as they are in business to make a profit but if no one can afford whatever their investment in space travel brings they won't invest.

Forward to the final frontier, no.

Backward to the middle ages, yes.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:22 AM

It might happen if we release ourselves of selfish needs by altering our parameters.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:17 AM

it's funny, but maybe because I'm Jewish, I thought about this a loooong time ago, I remember thinking it's like three grand hotels glued together with the dome of the rock on top and some rockets strapped to it. Seems outlandishly expensive


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:33 AM

Wow, can anybody here speak clingon? Uknak surak!

I'm ok with this whole idea as long as its design is based on the next gen enterprise..it's a much more sporty model and on the original it made lots of strange beeping sounds..oh and 7 of 9 must also come to.

Infact let's forget the idea of enterprise and just make her..lol

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 12:08 PM

As for our generation that grew up watching Star Trek,we all dreamt about being out there exploring space.Now,as we have approached an age group where we no longer believe this is possible,we have come to accept that 'it is not possible'. When we face the reality of a financial budget etc,that even the whole world could not afford,we do our math & understand.None of us live in a world where we are all prospering to the point that the whole world has the finances to bring such a venture to fruition! It has been a fantasy that none of us can see could possibly be a reality.Sadly enough,I humbly say that,man can not go forth exploring the universe.We stay here,comfortably on our Earthly domain,not knowing how to defy gravity,travel at light speed to distant galaxies etc.Sorry to burst your bubble but simply put,we have to remain safely on earth where she keeps us safe within our gravity force,our ocean of H2O,oxygen & nitrogen & a safely balanced environment for the human body to survive.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:45 PM

View Postmarcos anthony toledo, on 23 May 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

That's the problem the quick buck artist that run this world make more money out of war and drug profiteering. And they don't what their slaves the rest of us escaping from them. As Dark_Grey pointed out if we hadn't wasted all that money on all the stupid wars since 1914 we could have afforded to explore the galaxy. The greed heads don't care so long as they have money to burn.

That's the problem here.  The warp ship was built to make zafrim rich.  As for no money in the future, that only happened in star fleet on star fleet property. Don't forget the frarengie.  Also, in the first episode the doc. Buys some frabric and told the merchant to charge it to her on the entreprise.  So the only place you didn't need money were ships, bases, and maybe earth.  Although, they may have been using credit instead of money.

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