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Can humanity afford a real life Star Trek ?


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#31    Capt Amerika

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 04:42 PM

View PostGirlfromOz, on 24 May 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

As for our generation that grew up watching Star Trek,we all dreamt about being out there exploring space.Now,as we have approached an age group where we no longer believe this is possible,we have come to accept that 'it is not possible'. When we face the reality of a financial budget etc,that even the whole world could not afford,we do our math & understand.None of us live in a world where we are all prospering to the point that the whole world has the finances to bring such a venture to fruition! It has been a fantasy that none of us can see could possibly be a reality.Sadly enough,I humbly say that,man can not go forth exploring the universe.We stay here,comfortably on our Earthly domain,not knowing how to defy gravity,travel at light speed to distant galaxies etc.Sorry to burst your bubble but simply put,we have to remain safely on earth where she keeps us safe within our gravity force,our ocean of H2O,oxygen & nitrogen & a safely balanced environment for the human body to survive.

I would like to think its very much possible.
Its just not possible as long as we continue to waste our resources on people who dont deserve it and on wasteful projects and studies.
If we struck the budget of ALL pork and waste we could build a starship in less than 10 years.
God only knows what kind of tech they are using right now, keep in mind the SR-71 was flying in the 50's and we didnt hear about it until the 80's.
We desperately need to start expanding our horizons and we need to do it fast before we deplete our natural resources due to over population.
You cant keep prolonging the human life span without expanding beyond the planet or we will all suffer.
78,000 people volunteered for a one way trip to Mars to start a colony.
We need to make this happen and very soon.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:51 PM

View PostDBunker, on 23 May 2013 - 03:24 PM, said:

The First Contact took place on the evening of April 5, 2063, when a Vulcan survey ship, the T'Plana-Hath, having detected the warp signature of the Phoenix, touched down in Bozeman, central Montana, where they met with the Phoenix's designer and pilot, Zefram Cochrane.

http://en.memory-alp...i/First_contact

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 06:57 PM

View PostSocio, on 24 May 2013 - 12:59 AM, said:

We are going backwards, the meek ( low wage low educated, government dependent ) are inheriting the world, there will be no money for space advancements. Look at NASA most of their budget is gone, the federal government needed it to pay for entitlement programs.

Private industry is not going to do much either as they are in business to make a profit but if no one can afford whatever their investment in space travel brings they won't invest.

Forward to the final frontier, no.

Backward to the middle ages, yes.

Does this mean the Bible is RIGHT?  The meek will inherit the Earth.  The Bible didn't say the Earth would be worth anything, just that they'd inherit it.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 07:04 PM

View Postdanielost, on 24 May 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

That's the problem here.  The warp ship was built to make zafrim rich.  As for no money in the future, that only happened in star fleet on star fleet property. Don't forget the frarengie.  Also, in the first episode the doc. Buys some frabric and told the merchant to charge it to her on the entreprise.  So the only place you didn't need money were ships, bases, and maybe earth.  Although, they may have been using credit instead of money.

Good point!  But remember that was a planet that want Federation membership, so perhaps the monetary system is one of the first thinkg worked out.  Remember Kirk said the Enterprise can manufacture all the jewels it wanted, so they were worthless to him. But not to other people.  So how did the Federation pay for items they bought when they weren't on the ship?  Anyone know?


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:35 PM

yes they can but first humanity must grow spiritually and be more than mature to handle such technology.anything is possible


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 10:48 PM

See ! problem solved ! Just wait until the Vulcans come to save us and Were off to See the Wizard ! I knew youz guys were holding back on the Great News !
Now As I really see it ! Were Toast we have already Killed ourselfs,at least the last generation that will inherit our mess !
No way there going to fix what we have done !
Down and Grey you say? No just  Look at us like the Unicorn ! DO you see any of them around ?
How about kids learning how to builf warp drive ships?
Maybe If we work really hard growing up and stop the Killing of almost ever creatur on this rock we could just squeek by.But Pray for those Kilngons,or Vulcans,or even Marvin,I here he`s been kept out in the Desert Area51 somewhere!
Well thats just about it for this non-reality thread ! We for sure all will be gone If we ever get to a Star Ship that has Warp speed ! But like everything ,It could Happen ! :alien:

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 11:51 PM

The top 1% might (Billionaires now, Trillionaires in 50 years), as for the 99%, we are going to live and die on this planet, looking and dreaming at the stars.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 12:38 AM

View PostDONTEATUS, on 24 May 2013 - 10:48 PM, said:

See ! problem solved ! Just wait until the Vulcans come to save us and Were off to See the Wizard ! I knew youz guys were holding back on the Great News !
Now As I really see it ! Were Toast we have already Killed ourselfs,at least the last generation that will inherit our mess !
No way there going to fix what we have done !
Down and Grey you say? No just  Look at us like the Unicorn ! DO you see any of them around ?
How about kids learning how to builf warp drive ships?
Maybe If we work really hard growing up and stop the Killing of almost ever creatur on this rock we could just squeek by.But Pray for those Kilngons,or Vulcans,or even Marvin,I here he`s been kept out in the Desert Area51 somewhere!
Well thats just about it for this non-reality thread ! We for sure all will be gone If we ever get to a Star Ship that has Warp speed ! But like everything ,It could Happen ! :alien:

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 12:39 AM

View PostScuzzy, on 24 May 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

The top 1% might (Billionaires now, Trillionaires in 50 years), as for the 99%, we are going to live and die on this planet, looking and dreaming at the stars.

Their going to need servants.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:32 AM

I think its in the realm of possibility. I was watching the History Channels new Documentary on "Star Trek: Into Darkness" and alot of the tech isn't to much of a farcry away. I think a ship such as the enterprise could be built now, but the ultimate propulsion tech/ Engine systems might not be ready for a full voyage till about 2075. Thats also after alot of trial and "error".

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 03:41 AM

View PostJessem, on 25 May 2013 - 03:32 AM, said:

I think its in the realm of possibility. I was watching the History Channels new Documentary on "Star Trek: Into Darkness" and alot of the tech but the ultimate propulsion tech/ Engine systems might not be ready for a full voyage till about 2075. Thats also after alot of trial and "error".
How can you give a date on the development of a technology when no one even knows if it is possible?

Whilst there are people in organisations such as NASA that are working to see of it is possible to build some form of warp drive success is far from guaranteed. Even if it is possible it is impossible to predict how long it would take to produce a workable prototype and that is before we start to produce a viable operational system.

Can we afford it? We won't know until we find out if it is even possible.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:01 AM

The ship types I think we will need.  Passenger, cargo, mining, research.  As I said we make a modular ship, those would be the moduls.  The base ship ould have an engine, maybe ion and the command section.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 04:57 AM

View PostWaspie_Dwarf, on 25 May 2013 - 03:41 AM, said:

How can you give a date on the development of a technology when no one even knows if it is possible?

Whilst there are people in organisations such as NASA that are working to see of it is possible to build some form of warp drive success is far from guaranteed. Even if it is possible it is impossible to predict how long it would take to produce a workable prototype and that is before we start to produce a viable operational system.

Can we afford it? We won't know until we find out if it is even possible.

Woah now haha. It was just a guesstimate ;). and its about 62 years away, so I figured since how far we've come in tech the last 62 years, this could actually prove to be alot more than we can imagine. I mean, in the last ten years we've come further than anyone ever thought we could :). Plus I don't think money will really exist by then. It will happen evuentually.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 06:39 AM

View Postpaperdyer, on 24 May 2013 - 07:04 PM, said:

Good point!  But remember that was a planet that want Federation membership, so perhaps the monetary system is one of the first thinkg worked out.  Remember Kirk said the Enterprise can manufacture all the jewels it wanted, so they were worthless to him. But not to other people.  So how did the Federation pay for items they bought when they weren't on the ship?  Anyone know?
I think the Federation did direct Barter with other civilizations. Traded goods for goods, with no currency actually exchanged. I'm not sure how "Value" would be assigned.

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 02:16 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 25 May 2013 - 06:39 AM, said:


I think the Federation did direct Barter with other civilizations. Traded goods for goods, with no currency actually exchanged. I'm not sure how "Value" would be assigned.

The same way price is applied, demand and availability.

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