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#841    Arpee

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:01 PM

View PostJesus Loves Us, on 22 July 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

It's about intent. Do you practice it because you want to be a god and bypass Jesus' sacrifice?

Kaballah is not about becoming "a" God. It's about getting close to God and *hopefully* becoming ONE with God.  

Kaballah will not turn you into "a" God. It is promoting the same altruistic bs that Jesus promoted. It's about getting rid of self.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:26 PM

View PostJesus Loves Us, on 22 July 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

It's about intent. Do you practice it because you want to be a god and bypass Jesus' sacrifice? It's the same thing with meditation or any mystical practices. It wouldn't be a mystical practice if you're just gazing at the stars or fiddling with numbers.

I am not a practitioner of Kabbalah, but I have studied it for myself, have you?

I am not a practioner of astrology but recognize its importance in the bible... do You?

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:34 PM

View PostEtu Malku, on 22 July 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

i believe the video goes a bit deeper than that, it implies how some religions have it written in their scriptures to extinguish all other religions and its adherents. As I stated in http://www.unexplain...25#entry4850612 . . . the real Satan is the "Others", those who you are not and those who threaten your spiritual beliefs.

You still can't pull them out of their fallacies by adding yours to the mixture (yours as in the one in that video). You can direct what I said to those who'd rather read whole bible word by word and follow rather the words than seek out the most fundamental thing(s) there. Isn't that just the easy way out?

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 10:59 PM

View PostJor-el, on 22 July 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:

I am not a practitioner of Kabbalah, but I have studied it for myself, have you?

I am not a practioner of astrology but recognize its importance in the bible... do You?
I am not wasting my time to study what the Bible clearly tells me not to do.


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 11:11 PM

View PostJesus Loves Us, on 22 July 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

I am not wasting my time to study what the Bible clearly tells me not to do.

Exactly but what I told you i exactly and clearly in the bible.... which you seem to be ignoring because that is what you were taught to do out of fear.

Genesis 1:14
14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons,[f] and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the heavens to give light upon the earth.”

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12 And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. 2 She was pregnant and was crying out in birth pains and the agony of giving birth. 3 And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great red dragon, with seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven diadems. 4 His tail swept down a third of the stars of heaven and cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she bore her child he might devour it. 5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne, 6 and the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, in which she is to be nourished for 1,260 days.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 11:20 PM

Astronomy is different. Astrology is fortune telling.


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Posted 22 July 2013 - 11:28 PM

View PostJesus Loves Us, on 22 July 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

Astronomy is different. Astrology is fortune telling.

There were no astronemers in the time of jesus and before and for centuries afterward. Deal with it, the references are all astrological, just not the astrology that you are so used to hearing about. The Magi were astrologers, they identified from the signs in the heavens the birth of Christ himself, they used the astrological constellations, they used the planets and they used the stars. Learn from that instead of hiding behind a fear that does not lead you to know the word of God to the fullest.

Fortune telling is man made prophecy, When God does it, even through the stars it is simply called prophecy.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:41 AM

View PostJor-el, on 22 July 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

There were no astronemers in the time of jesus and before and for centuries afterward.
I know that but we're living now and we have those defined. Are you saying the Wise Men were also fortune tellers?


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 12:54 AM

View PostJesus Loves Us, on 23 July 2013 - 12:41 AM, said:

I know that but we're living now and we have those defined. Are you saying the Wise Men were also fortune tellers?

Not in the sense you mean, but they did use astrology to determine the lives of rulers, they were known in ancient times as the king makers. They were erspected and feared for their knowledge.

Remember what we know as astrology today has got absolutely nothing to do with what was practiced in ancient times... although the imagery employed is very similar. and they did believe the stars and the planets had influence in the lives of great men.

this is not your daily horoscope stuff...

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:31 AM

View PostJor-el, on 22 July 2013 - 10:26 PM, said:



I am not a practitioner of Kabbalah, but I have studied it for myself, have you?

I am not a practioner of astrology but recognize its importance in the bible... do You?

I don't know why it is important. But, I do recall someplace the bible saying the history of the world is written in the stars.

I am a Mormon.  If I don't use Mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other Mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the Mormon faith. Thanks for caring and if you don't peace be with you.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:36 AM

The short answer to why satan got kicked out is he was being selfish and still is.

I am a Mormon.  If I don't use Mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other Mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the Mormon faith. Thanks for caring and if you don't peace be with you.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 06:33 AM

View PostEtu Malku, on 22 July 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

i believe the video goes a bit deeper than that, it implies how some religions have it written in their scriptures to extinguish all other religions and its adherents. As I stated in http://www.unexplain...25#entry4850612 . . . the real Satan is the "Others", those who you are not and those who threaten your spiritual beliefs.

The "Light Network" might want to check their history, Set is not aligned with Saturn.

The following inscription from the royal tombs in the Valley of the Kings:


The Persians called Satan, Iblis. They were not the first to establish the archetype of Satan as the Jews were. Satan is a personification of the Judaic word ha-satan meaning Adversary. Ha satan did not become Satan until much later when Jewish sects / tribes particularly the Essenes began referring to anyone who was not an Essene as ha satan. Still further on, the Roman Christian Church decided it was time to personify "the adversary" into Satan (complete with horns, tail, colored red, and all that jazz) and have him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.


Light People . . . pffft!

Occult Symbolism: Saturn (SET) Worship

SET (Ancient Egyptian God of Evil, Darkness, Chaos, War and Destruction

See here:
http://hollywoodsubl...com/black-cube/

Spiral Symbolism:
Evolution and holistic growth:Letting go, surrender, release
Awareness of the one within the context of the whole
Connectivity and union with deific and cosmic energies

"Connectivity to the Divine" observation

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:06 AM

View PostEtu Malku, on 22 July 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

i believe the video goes a bit deeper than that, it implies how some religions have it written in their scriptures to extinguish all other religions and its adherents. As I stated in http://www.unexplain...25#entry4850612 . . . the real Satan is the "Others", those who you are not and those who threaten your spiritual beliefs.

The "Light Network" might want to check their history, Set is not aligned with Saturn.

The following inscription from the royal tombs in the Valley of the Kings:


The Persians called Satan, Iblis. They were not the first to establish the archetype of Satan as the Jews were. Satan is a personification of the Judaic word ha-satan meaning Adversary. Ha satan did not become Satan until much later when Jewish sects / tribes particularly the Essenes began referring to anyone who was not an Essene as ha satan. Still further on, the Roman Christian Church decided it was time to personify "the adversary" into Satan (complete with horns, tail, colored red, and all that jazz) and have him become the scapegoat for all evil in the Christian world.


Light People . . . pffft!
  • The Black Cube = Saturn
  • Saturn = Satan (the word is derived from Saturn)
  • Satan = The Devil (in Christian Religion)
  • The Devil (Simply, “D” added to ‘Evil’) = SET (or Seth) the original embodiment of evil, predating the Christian religion by thousands of years.
  • SET (Ancient Egyptian God of Evil, Darkness, Chaos, War and Destruction) = Anti-Christ or Adversary in Christian Religion.
http://hollywoodsubl...com/black-cube/

also see:

http://www.bibliotec...cconnection.htm

How the Term "Satan" Originated

This Awareness indicates that in reality, there is no such being as Satan. It is simply a creation of man, and the energies associated with this as being created as the movement grows and the creation of such energies as a personification of such energies. Originally, Satan was nothing other than the planet Saturn in an astrological quality. It was the Egyptian Set, the Egyptian God known as Set, which represented Satan or Saturn; the Persians, instead of calling it Saturn or set, called the planet Satan, and personified the planet as though it were a person. This Awareness indicates that the Persians were the first to invent the personification of that which was called Satan. Later, the time being in approximately the mid part of the Christian Age, Western mystics, in studying various religions, latched on to the Persian teachings of Satan and brought into the Christian religion. Prior to that there was no Satan.

This Awareness indicates that it then led to modification in the biblical texts, and let to various types of change in the scriptures and attitudes and terminologies used in the teachings, so that instead of Saturn or Set, the terms for Satan became as though the entity were a person; that in this manner, a force was personified. This Awareness indicates that the personification of this force in modern times is such that entities are treating this personification, this creation, as though it were a real being, and are worshipping this force.



Spiral Symbolism:
Evolution and holistic growth:Letting go, surrender, release
Awareness of the one within the context of the whole
Connectivity and union with deific and cosmic energies

"Connectivity to the Divine" observation

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:16 AM

Astrological viewpoint on Saturn (aka Satan?):
Hard work, taking responsibility, taking things step by step. Systemacy. Authority, as an authority saying you need this and that in order to qualify. Recognition. People who slowly and steadily climb up the corporate ladder would be prime examples of Saturn in action. This planet at least was associated with death, and if you connect that with the ancient greece mythology where underworld = hell (though I know Dante invented that later), then you get your soup.
Regarding this faith-theme, Saturn's role could mostly be to have us build our faith slowly, step by step. Quite contrary to the way they tell you to reach faith in christianity, you should "just believe" according to them. It's a more jupiterian way.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:08 PM

View PostTruthseeker007, on 23 July 2013 - 08:06 AM, said:

  • The Black Cube = Saturn
  • Saturn = Satan (the word is derived from Saturn)
  • Satan = The Devil (in Christian Religion)
  • The Devil (Simply, “D” added to ‘Evil’) = SET (or Seth) the original embodiment of evil, predating the Christian religion by thousands of years.
  • SET (Ancient Egyptian God of Evil, Darkness, Chaos, War and Destruction) = Anti-Christ or Adversary in Christian Religion.
http://hollywoodsubl...com/black-cube/

also see:

http://www.bibliotec...cconnection.htm


How the Term "Satan" Originated
This Awareness indicates that in reality, there is no such being as Satan. It is simply a creation of man, and the energies associated with this as being created as the movement grows and the creation of such energies as a personification of such energies. Originally, Satan was nothing other than the planet Saturn in an astrological quality. It was the Egyptian Set, the Egyptian God known as Set, which represented Satan or Saturn; the Persians, instead of calling it Saturn or set, called the planet Satan, and personified the planet as though it were a person. This Awareness indicates that the Persians were the first to invent the personification of that which was called Satan. Later, the time being in approximately the mid part of the Christian Age, Western mystics, in studying various religions, latched on to the Persian teachings of Satan and brought into the Christian religion. Prior to that there was no Satan.
This Awareness indicates that it then led to modification in the biblical texts, and let to various types of change in the scriptures and attitudes and terminologies used in the teachings, so that instead of Saturn or Set, the terms for Satan became as though the entity were a person; that in this manner, a force was personified. This Awareness indicates that the personification of this force in modern times is such that entities are treating this personification, this creation, as though it were a real being, and are worshipping this force.

Seems like the point you are trying to make is that evil is just semantics? Seriously?

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