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#16    Setton

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:20 PM

View Postealdwita, on 24 May 2013 - 01:15 PM, said:

I respectfully draw your attention to the first sentence of my post (#3).

Imam Magid has rightly condemned several 'isms' and a couple of 'phobias', and I applaude him for that, but nowhere can I see where he calls for an end to blowing people up and/or hacking them to death in the street because they refuse to bend the knee to his medieval god! That's what I expect to see 'moderate Muslims' speaking out against.

It's a fair point but can't you be happy at the progress they are making rather than taking such a negative approach? Leaving aside the many, many Muslims that have spoken out. Unfortunately, 'Bunch of people are just like us!' doesn't sell papers.

And the murder I think you are referring to appears to be more politically than religiously motivated. Didn't the attackers say it was because of wars in their countries rather than religious differences?

'Good' is not the same as 'nice'.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:22 PM

View PostMnemonix, on 24 May 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

An imam won't call for an end to Jihad, it is an essential part of Islam.

I don't mean blowing people up, I mean fighting the evil in oneself.

That is the greatest Jihad there is.

Heard that from an imam.

Jihad means "to struggle" if I'm not mistaken.

That's what I was always taught in school too. Two types of Jihad, greater and lesser.

Greater: struggle against evil in yourself.

Lesser: struggle against external evil.

It's Lesser Jihad that causes problems because evil is often a matter of perspective.

'Good' is not the same as 'nice'.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:26 PM

View PostSetton, on 24 May 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

And the murder I think you are referring to appears to be more politically than religiously motivated. Didn't the attackers say it was because of wars in their countries rather than religious differences?

But apparantly shouting 'Allahu Akbar' whilst carrying out the atrocity. (If it quacks like a duck, etc.................)

Edited by ealdwita, 24 May 2013 - 01:26 PM.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:36 PM

View Postealdwita, on 24 May 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

But apparantly shouting 'Allahu Akbar' whilst carrying out the atrocity. (If it quacks like a duck, etc.................)

This thread is not about that incident.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:45 PM

Who else is involved?

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Meeting are also planned with local Catholic, Muslim and Jewish religious leaders.

http://arabnews.com/news/452038


Why exactly are the moderate Muslims doing this?

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“If we want the world to remember the horrors of the Holocaust so that neither genocide against the Jews, nor anyone else should ever happen again, then we have an obligation to have communal leaders understand what happened,” Schudrich said.

http://arabnews.com/news/452038


Was this the first time this has happened?

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Muslim leaders last visited Auschwitz in 2011 as part of an inter-faith delegation including a hundred Jewish and Christian leaders from the Middle East, Africa and Europe.

Interfaith harmony: Imams to visit Auschwitz


Who organized this?

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The visit was part of a Holocaust awareness and anti-genocide program organized in part by the U.S. State Department’s Office of International Religious Freedom.

http://english.alara...-Auschwitz.html


Who else met with them?

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Some of the imams wept at an emotional meeting Tuesday with Jewish Holocaust survivors and their Polish Catholic saviors who told stories of their war-time experiences at Warsaw’s Nozyk Synagogue.

http://english.alara...-Auschwitz.html


What do three religions have in common?

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A soaring rupture opening on to undulating walls marks its facade, an allusion to Exodus and the parting of the Red Sea, through which Moses led his people fleeing Egypt, a narrative shared by the Torah, the Bible and the Koran.

Show of good faith: Muslim imams pray at Auschwitz

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:51 PM

The bigger story is that others from other faiths and victims of the Holocaust are embracing the Imams. That is all that really matters, we are accepting them.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 01:57 PM

View Postealdwita, on 24 May 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

But apparantly shouting 'Allahu Akbar' whilst carrying out the atrocity. (If it quacks like a duck, etc.................)

I'm not saying their beliefs didn't play a part but it's not the message they were trying to convey. But, as has been said, that's a whole other issue so let's not get sidetracked.

'Good' is not the same as 'nice'.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:48 PM

Indeed, we are accepting them even as others choose to reject. This proves even among ourselves there is not uniformity so among them there will also be those that accept us.

The tolerant among us and among them are the bridge.

The others are drowning in hate but even as they do we are offering them lifesavers, ladders, and our hands to save them from the deep running waters of rage and help them onto this bridge.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:05 PM

View Postealdwita, on 24 May 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:



But apparantly shouting 'Allahu Akbar' whilst carrying out the atrocity. (If it quacks like a duck, etc.................)

It is the same slogan from every extremist, like the raising of three fingers by serbian christians while they were raping and slaughtering bosniak muslim women and babies. In the name of the holy trinty.
The difference is that I am aware that the holy trinity has nothing to do with it and neither has allah.

As for some other statements that you did, like the one about moderat muslims, jihad, not having non muslims as friends, kafirs, not accepting holocoust.....all utter nonsens, all wrong information. Exactly the same misguided mind like the minds of the opposite side.



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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:29 PM

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:48 PM

I have two Muslim friends, both of which have clearly demonstrated onto me their humanity.

Jahaar, he once asked me of my faith, I gladly answered.. We now great each other as brothers, and treat each other as such too!
Navid, was working at the corner store and it was being robbed at gun point. I walked in and drew my gun, I told the robber I didn't want to hurt him but I am surgical with my makarov, and if he did not walk away peacefully he would not walk away at all.. The man tucked his gun away and ran.. After the incident Navid said to me "even when he threatened your lives you showed him compassion, why?" I said "he might be an idiot but he's still a man, and I am nobody to want to kill him unless he gives me no option".. He always invites me to his family parties, has even come to mine...


So yea, Muslims are not the enemy.. Idiots hiding behind faiths are the enemy. What faith they hide behind does not matter either... There was a time when thousands were killed in the name of the Christian god... Do you think he wanted such a thing?




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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:06 PM

There were Muslim heroes at the time, too, in what later became a very hard part of the world for Muslims,

http://www.bbc.co.uk...london-22176928

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 09:28 PM

considering the history betweem muslims & jews, I think this is, at least, a step in the right direction, and hopefully, those involved in conflict in the middle east, on both sides, are taking notice.....
a positive outcome requires a positive beginning, and it looks like we've just witnessed one!
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 10:08 PM

View Postshrooma, on 24 May 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

considering the history betweem muslims & jews, I think this is, at least, a step in the right direction, and hopefully, those involved in conflict in the middle east, on both sides, are taking notice.....
a positive outcome requires a positive beginning, and it looks like we've just witnessed one!
*insert 'thumbs up' smiley here*

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