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#1    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:34 PM

J. Michael Francis, a historian at the University of South Florida, St. Petersburg who has spent decades studying the Spanish colonies in the Americas , says no mention of a Fountain of Youth occurs in any known documents from Ponce’s lifetime, including contracts and other official correspondence with the Crown. In fact, Ponce’s name did not become connected with the Fountain of Youth until many years after his death, and then only thanks to a Spanish court chronicler out to discredit him.

http://www.smithsoni...-208345831.html

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 07:46 PM

So the Spanish court ponced the name of Ponce to discredit him?


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 08:12 PM

I've been fed lies from my history book! This is outrage :angry:


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Posted 25 May 2013 - 10:24 PM

Well, a lot of people still think Anne Boleyn had six fingers! The whole lie was perpetuated by a Catholic historian who was out to discredit Queen Elizabeth ( a Protestant) reign. :no:


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 01:15 PM

Misconceptions and Myths Related to the Fountain of Youth
and Juan Ponce de Leon’s 1513 Exploration Voyage


~ Douglas T. Peck

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Having cited the numerous errors in current encyclopedias and in academic publications introduced by leading Florida historians, I hasten to point out that the entry for; “Ponce de Leon, Juan (1471-1521)” in the recently published; Oxford Companion to Exploration, is the only academic publication that is historically accurate. The historically accurate entry for Juan Ponce de Leon reads in part: “The native inhabitants of the New World did not have a fountain of youth in their legends nor was Ponce de Leon looking for it (Peck 1993). And contrary to current consensus he landed at Melbourne Beach, 125 miles south of St. Augustine, the generally accepted landing site on the shore of Florida (Gannon 1996; Peck 1993). The Arabic legend of a fountain of youth was introduced into European literature by the epic, medieval French, Roman de’Alexandre (Armstrong 1935). Peter Martyr (Pietro Martire d’Anghiera) later associated the Eurasian legend of a fountain of youth with the New World locating it in the Bay of Honduras, but did not tie it to Ponce de Leon’s voyage (McNutt 1970). The sixteenth-century historian Gonzalo Fernandez de Oviedo was solely responsible for attaching the legend to Juan Ponce’s voyage and to Florida adding an unfounded comment that the relatively young and viral Juan Ponce was looking for a fountain of youth to cure his sexual impotence” (Buisseret 2006).

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:20 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 25 May 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

So the Spanish court ponced the name of Ponce to discredit him?
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not half as bad as the rather unfortunately named 'cuthbert clinkerskid' freet!
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Posted 26 May 2013 - 02:24 PM

View Postthe L, on 25 May 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

J. Michael Francis, a historian at the University of South Florida, St. Petersburg who has spent decades studying the Spanish colonies in the Americas , says no mention of a Fountain of Youth occurs in any known documents from Ponce’s lifetime, including contracts and other official correspondence with the Crown. In fact, Ponce’s name did not become connected with the Fountain of Youth until many years after his death, and then only thanks to a Spanish court chronicler out to discredit him.

http://www.smithsoni...-208345831.html
This is quite true. He was searching for a winning lottery ticket. :)


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:58 PM

Just goes to show an old conspiracy from the 1500's can live as "truth" in many history books for centuries.  There's an important lesson here. Remember this when thinking about about other alternate history speculations.  If you really want the truth you have to research the writings of the period of the event not propaganda held as truth in the years after.

May I also add if you seek the fountain of youth, you look for old people that are young not the fountain where people are selling "snake oil" LOL


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:12 PM

View PostKowalski, on 25 May 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

Well, a lot of people still think Anne Boleyn had six fingers! The whole lie was perpetuated by a Catholic historian who was out to discredit Queen Elizabeth ( a Protestant) reign. :no:

Ealdwita snippet alert........



Nicholas Sander, a Catholic Recusant who was living in exile during Elizabeth I's rule, was not a fan of Anne Boleyn and sought to discredit her and blacken her name by describing her as having a "projecting tooth under the upper lip", yet also describes her "pretty mouth", a large wen under her chin and six fingers on her right hand. This description must be taken with a large pinch of salt.

However, she may have had some sort of minor imperfection on her hand which gave rise to this myth as George Wyatt, grandson of Thomas Wyatt, sais "there was found indeed, upon the side of her nail upon one of her fingers, some show of a nail".

In my opinion, if there was some defect on her hand it must have been very minor because Henry would not have pursued her for so long and broken with Rome to marry a woman who could pass a defect on to his heir to throne or who had signs of being a witch.



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Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:56 PM

Now if schools would just stop teaching that people had forgotten the world was round until Christopher Columbus reminded them of what ancient Greek mathematicians proved and centuries of civilization counted on in ocean navigation.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 08:37 PM

This is greatly distressing.

Having been born and raised in Florida, I searched for the fabled "Fountain of Youth", drinking from every spring I could find.

In the end, all it did was turn me into a dolphin.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 08:41 PM

View PostKowalski, on 25 May 2013 - 10:24 PM, said:

Well, a lot of people still think Anne Boleyn had six fingers! The whole lie was perpetuated by a Catholic historian who was out to discredit Queen Elizabeth ( a Protestant) reign. :no:
Didn`t one of them have 3 or 4 nipples? will have to google it.


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 09:02 PM

freetoroam... judging by your avatar I can only assume that you were on a quest for the "Holy Grail", you know, in the Indiana Jones movies.
And, though a noble try to be sure, upon which you should be commended, you drank from the wrong cup...

My deepest condolences.

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Posted 26 May 2013 - 09:08 PM

View Postpallidin, on 26 May 2013 - 09:02 PM, said:

freetoroam... judging by your avatar I can only assume that you were on a quest for the "Holy Grail", you know, in the Indiana Jones movies.
And, though a noble try to be sure, upon which you should be commended, you drank from the wrong cup...

My deepest condolences.

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Why thankyou, not often I get compliments. :w00t:


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 09:11 PM

Ms. Boleyn had a double nail and a bulge of flesh on the little finger of her right hand that was apparently the beginnings of a sixth digit, and she also had a strawberry-size mole on the front of her neck. Conceivably the latter was a vestigial nipple, a benign congenital defect occurring in about one percent of the population.

I knew it was somewhere.





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