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#781    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:19 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 21 August 2013 - 10:16 PM, said:

They aren't points except by metaphor.  I  think that what goes around comes around; criminals increase their chances of jail; recklessness increases the chance of accident; generosity increases the chance of return generosity.  Chance also plays a role, so the system isn't infallible, but it is a reasonable view and is readily understood in my part of the world.

Modern picking up cherry Buddhist. Thats fine. We have those gatherers among Jews, Muslims,Hinduists and Chiristhians as well.

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Posted 21 August 2013 - 10:26 PM

View PostMelo, on 21 August 2013 - 10:19 PM, said:

Modern picking up cherry Buddhist. Thats fine. We have those gatherers among Jews, Muslims,Hinduists and Chiristhians as well.
I dunno quite to make of what you just said; you  may want to think about it.

A religion that fails to take into account historical and scientific discoveries violates the foundation ideas of Buddhism.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 05:46 AM

Entheogens are not just hallucinogens. Most properly prepared medicines  induce a profound state of self reflection . The "striping away". That's not to say that people should use them for just recreation or experimentation. There are dangers and they are illegal in most places for very good reasons. Only a real shaman that understands how altered states of consciousness behave can properly guide Somone in its use. Just like a doctor can and should be the only ones able to prescribe controlled substances. Entheogen's are only for turning points and last measures, they should not be taken lightly. Astral experiences can be obtained without the use of entheogenic medicine.

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 06:12 PM

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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:04 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 21 August 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Anyway, whats your opinion on Hyperthymestics and Magnetics?
Or perhaps Benedetto Supino? Two people sharing same dream?
Or prophets?

Errr....suddenly conversation cools.

I think that Hyperthymestics has everything to do with the brain and that there is not need to evoke the paranormal to explain it. The brain can store amazingly vast amounts of information. People with Hyperthymesia say it is a burden and difficult to live with. I think that the brain normally filters out information that is not important to survival and remembers things selectively but people with that condition seem to have a brain that does not do this leading to problems- and amazing memory recall ability. What exactly does magnetics have to do with anything?

Benedetto Supino- the girl born with legs fused together? How exactly is that paranormal in any way?

Two people sharing the same dream? What exactly do you mean? Like two people who have the same dream at the same time and figure that out later, or?

Prophets- I think that the people claiming to be prophets are whack-jobs to be honest. The prophets of ancient times were probably whack-jobs too, but people back then were even more gullible than they are now and uneducated. They believed all kinds of crazy things.


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Posted 22 August 2013 - 09:18 PM

View PostEinsteinium, on 22 August 2013 - 09:04 PM, said:

I think that Hyperthymestics has everything to do with the brain and that there is not need to evoke the paranormal to explain it. The brain can store amazingly vast amounts of information. People with Hyperthymesia say it is a burden and difficult to live with. I think that the brain normally filters out information that is not important to survival and remembers things selectively but people with that condition seem to have a brain that does not do this leading to problems- and amazing memory recall ability. What exactly does magnetics have to do with anything?

Benedetto Supino- the girl born with legs fused together? How exactly is that paranormal in any way?

Two people sharing the same dream? What exactly do you mean? Like two people who have the same dream at the same time and figure that out later, or?

Prophets- I think that the people claiming to be prophets are whack-jobs to be honest. The prophets of ancient times were probably whack-jobs too, but people back then were even more gullible than they are now and uneducated. They believed all kinds of crazy things.

I didnt study Benedetto Supino in detail. Its boy from Italiy who can burn things on thought.
About dreams yes thats what I ment.
Hyperthymestics are extraordinary persons. And I dont like term paranormal either. But its not normal conditions. Yes they suffer. But as in life-every sign of potence is sign of other impotence.
Hows not magnetics fit into this story. If man is living magnet?
And I think history show us that prophets existed. You can deny it or ignore it but thats not gonna deleted their existence.
Also what about extraordinary healings?

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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 22 August 2013 - 09:48 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 12:31 AM

View PostxFelix, on 30 May 2013 - 12:46 PM, said:

Let's keep the thread simple, show me proof the Paranormal doesn't exist. Use verifiable sources, and if you're not an actual doctor don't make diagnostic theories you are not qualified to make.
The point is not that I have proof the paranormal does not exist but that I have seen no objective evidence that it does, hence I am skeptical. It is possible that it does exist but absent evidence why should I think so?


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 09:58 AM

So after I proove my point I would now cement it.

Deja Vu,Out of body expirience, Neard Death Expiriences, Power of love, Genius kids that knows different languages at age of two or play like Mozart at age of 7 or two year boy with IQ same as Einstein, Dream about your VERY early childhood, Telepathy,  Dream become reality, Ouija sessions with strange outcomes (?), numerology (?), Psychic spies (?), Psychic detectives, Miracles, Healing sounds, Hypnosis, Lucid dreaming, Astral projections etc.etc.  > Science

(?)-Not vertifed.

…'“sixth sense'' ….„third eye“….  „guts“…. „dairokkan“….I dont believe that whole world trough centuries have lied to us.


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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 23 August 2013 - 10:01 AM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 02:47 PM

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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 23 August 2013 - 02:49 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."

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Posted 23 August 2013 - 04:36 PM

View PostBig Bad Voodoo, on 22 August 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

I didnt study Benedetto Supino in detail. Its boy from Italiy who can burn things on thought.
About dreams yes thats what I ment.
Hyperthymestics are extraordinary persons. And I dont like term paranormal either. But its not normal conditions. Yes they suffer. But as in life-every sign of potence is sign of other impotence.
Hows not magnetics fit into this story. If man is living magnet?
And I think history show us that prophets existed. You can deny it or ignore it but thats not gonna deleted their existence.
Also what about extraordinary healings?

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There are multiple offers of multi-million dollar sums from multiple different organizations around the world that this Benedetto Supino could take advantage of. If he could prove his ability. But he won't. Why won't he? He could advance science forward and have his name remembered for all of history. Leaving a legacy as one of the greats of history, but he won't. Why won't he? Probably because he does not truly have the ability. Many people have claimed this ability, many people claim all kinds of abilities. Just because they claim it does not make it true.

The magnet man is a fraud, James Randi actually did a great job exposing this fraud. He was sticky, talcum powder eliminated his 'magnetic' ability and if he was truly magnetic that would not have been the case.

I do not know much about shared dreams but I think that the topic is interesting. I have never experienced this phenomena.

History shows us that prophets are real? Which ones are real and which ones were frauds?


Extraordinary healings are truly amazing phenomena and just go to show us how much more we still have to learn about the human body and mind. There are many examples of extraordinary healing taking place and that has been very well documented medically. I find this topic absolutely fascinating. Nature is truly spectacular. However there are many more examples of sudden unexplained death or horrible illness which I also find fascinating, but the healing side of the unexplained medical phenomena is much more positive to ponder :)


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 05:09 PM

There have been cases where people claimed to have been paranormally cured of cancer. Investigations showed that they people had not actually been diagnosed with cancer. One woman said that her radiologist said it looked like cancer on her x-rays however you can't make that diagnosis from just an x-ray.

I know of a young woman athlete who was diagnosed with brain cancer. Fortunately they found the cancer early. Also she was otherwise young and healthy and had no serious symptoms so she had a good chance of beating the cancer with intense chemotherapy. She started the chemotherapy but her hair fell out and she didn't like feeling sick all the time. So... she found some quack in Mexico who claimed he could cure her cancer using paranormal methods that naturally had no side effects. Since he was a fraud, the cancer quickly spread after she stopped chemo. She died on a plane flying back to the U.S. for conventional medical treatment.

This is one case where belief in the paranormal was fatal.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 05:24 PM

View Postscowl, on 23 August 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

There have been cases where people claimed to have been paranormally cured of cancer. Investigations showed that they people had not actually been diagnosed with cancer. One woman said that her radiologist said it looked like cancer on her x-rays however you can't make that diagnosis from just an x-ray.

I know of a young woman athlete who was diagnosed with brain cancer. Fortunately they found the cancer early. Also she was otherwise young and healthy and had no serious symptoms so she had a good chance of beating the cancer with intense chemotherapy. She started the chemotherapy but her hair fell out and she didn't like feeling sick all the time. So... she found some quack in Mexico who claimed he could cure her cancer using paranormal methods that naturally had no side effects. Since he was a fraud, the cancer quickly spread after she stopped chemo. She died on a plane flying back to the U.S. for conventional medical treatment.

This is one case where belief in the paranormal was fatal.

Wow that is a very sad story :( you hear in the news every so often of about a family who had a sick child who decided to use 'faith healing' instead of real medicine. Often proving fatal, and the parents are charged with crimes (as they should be)


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 05:57 PM

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There are multiple offers of multi-million dollar sums from multiple different organizations around the world that this Benedetto Supino could take advantage of. If he could prove his ability. But he won't. Why won't he? He could advance science forward and have his name remembered for all of history. Leaving a legacy as one of the greats of history, but he won't. Why won't he? Probably because he does not truly have the ability. Many people have claimed this ability, many people claim all kinds of abilities. Just because they claim it does not make it true.

The magnet man is a fraud, James Randi actually did a great job exposing this fraud. He was sticky, talcum powder eliminated his 'magnetic' ability and if he was truly magnetic that would not have been the case.
Randi will not publically meet with Mirislaw Magola.




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Posted 23 August 2013 - 06:11 PM

View PostWhite Crane Feather, on 23 August 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

Randi will not publically meet with Mirislaw Magola.



Yeah he will not meet with Magola becaue Magola wants Randi to travel TO HIM. Hell, all Magola has to do is travel to Randi and prove his ability and a cool million bucks will be his. That would sure motivate me to travel! Magicians can do things like this and it does not require one to be magnetic just requires one to know the tricks of the trade.


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Posted 23 August 2013 - 07:05 PM

View PostEinsteinium, on 23 August 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

There are multiple offers of multi-million dollar sums from multiple different organizations around the world that this Benedetto Supino could take advantage of. If he could prove his ability. But he won't. Why won't he? He could advance science forward and have his name remembered for all of history. Leaving a legacy as one of the greats of history, but he won't. Why won't he? Probably because he does not truly have the ability. Many people have claimed this ability, many people claim all kinds of abilities. Just because they claim it does not make it true.

The magnet man is a fraud, James Randi actually did a great job exposing this fraud. He was sticky, talcum powder eliminated his 'magnetic' ability and if he was truly magnetic that would not have been the case.

I do not know much about shared dreams but I think that the topic is interesting. I have never experienced this phenomena.

History shows us that prophets are real? Which ones are real and which ones were frauds?


Extraordinary healings are truly amazing phenomena and just go to show us how much more we still have to learn about the human body and mind. There are many examples of extraordinary healing taking place and that has been very well documented medically. I find this topic absolutely fascinating. Nature is truly spectacular. However there are many more examples of sudden unexplained death or horrible illness which I also find fascinating, but the healing side of the unexplained medical phenomena is much more positive to ponder :)

Post 788 and 789 are also interesting. Yes healings are amazing.
We have several prophets in history.

Anaximander of Miletus could predict Earthquakes. His pupil Pythagoras too.  Then Tecumseh.

Tecumseh was a Shawnee leader, warrior and prophet who travelled around the central United States trying to convince Native Americans to resist attempts by American settlers to encroach on their land. According to legend he gave a speech at Tuckabatchee, a Creek settlement in Alabama, in which he predicted a great earthquake would hit the area soon.
"You do not believe the Great Spirit has sent me. You shall know. I leave Tuckabatchee directly, and shall go straight to Detroit. When I arrive there, I will stamp on the ground with my foot and shake down every house in Tuckabatchee."
The prophecy came true, and on Dec. 16, 1811 a massive quake centered in New Madrid Missouri rocked the United States, with damage occurring throughout the young country

About Magnetic.

A seven-year-old boy  Bogdan in Serbia is attracting worldwide attention after his family claim he is magnetic.
To prove their claim, the family paraded the boy in front of an camera crew, with a variety of objects stuck to his chest.

And dreams are my favourite study. We have many mysteries in it.
Sadly we can proof two people having same dream but we can study brain and psyche of Lucid dreamers.
I could post many interesting cases but as you can see all sceptics left the building.
When they can deny it they ignore it. And I kindly invite them on polite conversation. But I doubt they will show up.
Here is one more case.


Two weeks without water
Indian holy man Prahlad Jani speaks at a press conference at a hospital in Ahmedbad on May 6. Jani, who says he has spent seven decades without food or water, has astounded a team of military doctors who studied him during a two-week observation period.
An 83-year-old Indian holy man who says he has spent seven decades without food or water has astounded a team of military doctors who studied him during a two-week observation period.
Prahlad Jani spent a fortnight in a hospital in the western India state of Gujarat under constant surveillance from a team of 30 medics equipped with cameras and closed circuit television.

During the period, he neither ate nor drank and did not go to the toilet.

"We still do not know how he survives," neurologist Sudhir Shah told reporters after the end of the experiment. "It is still a mystery what kind of phenomenon this is."

The long-haired and bearded yogi was sealed in a hospital in the city of Ahmedabad in a study initiated by India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), the state defence and military research institute.

The DRDO hopes that the findings, set to be released in greater detail in several months, could help soldiers survive without food and drink, assist astronauts or even save the lives of people trapped in natural disasters.

"(Jani's) only contact with any kind of fluid was during gargling and bathing periodically during the period," G. Ilavazahagan, director of India's Defence Institute of Physiology and Allied Sciences (DIPAS), said in a statement.

Jani has since returned to his village near Ambaji in northern Gujarat where he will resume his routine of yoga and meditation. He says that he was blessed by a goddess at a young age, which gave him special powers.

During the 15-day observation, which ended on Thursday, the doctors took scans of Jani's organs, brain, and blood vessels, as well as doing tests on his heart, lungs and memory capacity.

"The reports were all in the pre-determined safety range through the observation period," Shah told reporters at a press conference last week.

Other results from DNA analysis, molecular biological studies and tests on his hormones, enzymes, energy metabolism and genes will take months to come through.

"If Jani does not derive energy from food and water, he must be doing that from energy sources around him, sunlight being one," said Shah.

"As medical practitioners we cannot shut our eyes to possibilities, to a source of energy other than calories."


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Edited by Big Bad Voodoo, 23 August 2013 - 07:06 PM.

JFK: "And we are as a people, inherently and historically, opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths, and to secret proceedings.
For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy..."




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