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#1    Big Bad Voodoo

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:28 PM

Why people 40 000 BC went on sail to Australia on clumsy boats or rafts over 400 km?

Main reason of this thread is to find reason why group of people would set a sail into unknown on clumsy rafts?

Second, is that trip possible on clumsy rafts or did they have boats?

Edited by the L, 30 May 2013 - 08:33 PM.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:48 PM

Thor Heyerdahl (of 'Kon-Tiki' fame, 1950's) proved it can be done. Why?:  To see what's beyond the horizon, of course.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 08:50 PM

View Postszentgyorgy, on 30 May 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

Thor Heyerdahl (of 'Kon-Tiki' fame, 1950's) proved it can be done. Why?:  To see what's beyond the horizon, of course.

So Thor did that on raft?

Why would one risk his life to go over horizon?
Thor expedition was small and safe.

Australia was populated with group of people.

Would you put your children and wife on raft and set sail over 400 km on Ocean? :blink:

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:07 PM

Obviously someone sailed to Oz and back again. Eventually loads of people did it.
Alternatively, they came during an ice age when sea levels were lower and there was a landbridge between Oz and Papua New Guinea or Indonesia.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:08 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 30 May 2013 - 09:07 PM, said:

Obviously someone sailed to Oz and back again. Eventually loads of people did it.
Alternatively, they came during an ice age when sea levels were lower and there was a landbridge between Oz and Papua New Guinea or Indonesia.

During ice age closest water distance was over 400 km. :tu: Check it.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:10 PM

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rafts? or boat?

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:28 PM

View Postthe L, on 30 May 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

Why people 40 000 BC went on sail to Australia on clumsy boats or rafts over 400 km?

Main reason of this thread is to find reason why group of people would set a sail into unknown on clumsy rafts?

Second, is that trip possible on clumsy rafts or did they have boats?

I can only tell you about WHY they set sail to Australia.

They saw land birds (maybe swans) fly from the south across an open ocean/sea strait, and so they knew they must have come from either islands or a continent in the south.







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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:36 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 30 May 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

I can only tell you about WHY they set sail to Australia.

They saw land birds (maybe swans) fly from the south across an open ocean/sea strait, and so they knew they must have come from either islands or a continent in the south.

Thats logical. Same as Polynesians find their islands like Eastern island. For Polynesians Eastern island was from 60 to 100 km wide. In search for island they look up.
I didnt remember that.

But were they able to do that on rafts?

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:43 PM

View Postthe L, on 30 May 2013 - 09:36 PM, said:



Thats logical. Same as Polynesians find their islands like Eastern island. For Polynesians Eastern island was from 60 to 100 km wide. In search for island they look up.
I didnt remember that.

But were they able to do that on rafts?

I have no idea what they used to sail the strait.

But they did, and that's for certain.

Rafts made out of a bunch of tree trunks tied together? It is not that much of a leap, right?






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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:45 PM

View PostAbramelin, on 30 May 2013 - 09:43 PM, said:

I have no idea what they used to sail the strait.

But they did, and that's for certain.

Rafts made out of a bunch of tree trunks tied together? It is not that much of a leap, right?

How can you sail on Ocean with raft? Thats my question. I remember videos on you tube where big tankers are almost turn over on ocean.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:49 PM

the distance from new guinea to australia is about 80-90 miles not 400km. this distance, the torres strait is filled with islands, making the crossing very easy.
the islands were part of a land-bridge that connected new guinea to australia that was only submerged during the last period of de-glaciation, 12,000 years ago, meaning the aborigines could've walked across. the hardest part of the journey would've been the journey from indonesia to new guinea.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:54 PM

new guinea and australia was one land in the time I speak. So...how did they sailed from Asia? Is it safe to sail on raft or did they have had boats?

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:56 PM

also, the aborgines reached australia 50,000yrs ago, not 40,000yrs ago.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:58 PM

View Postshrooma, on 30 May 2013 - 09:56 PM, said:

also, the aborgines reached australia 50,000yrs ago, not 40,000yrs ago.

I edited my earlier post.
Also I read it 40 000 years ago.

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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:59 PM

View Postthe L, on 30 May 2013 - 09:45 PM, said:



How can you sail on Ocean with raft? Thats my question. I remember videos on you tube where big tankers are almost turn over on ocean.

Columbus met Mayans and Carib who sailed the Caribbean Sea with huge balsa rafts, carrying many tons of cargo and hundreds of people.







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