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Will We Ever Understand Consciousness?

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#46    third_eye

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 05:48 PM

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 05:59 AM

An empty mind is empty.  The objective is calm, not emptiness.  I assume everyone knows this, but I feel it is important that it be said.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 09:10 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 09 June 2013 - 05:59 AM, said:

An empty mind is empty.  The objective is calm, not emptiness.  I assume everyone knows this, but I feel it is important that it be said.
  Your mind can never be empty,(unless you are unconcious or dead),peace and tranquility means that you are thinking about it.Your mind is active even when sleeping,and if you hear a strange noise when asleep your mind will come alert and you will awake wondering whats happening.

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 09:26 AM

Well it is no doubt true that the brain is always active.  It is possible though to empty your mind -- in fact I had a teacher who saw that as a useful exercise.

Mindfulness (that you refer to) is not quite an empty mind.  Avoiding taking a peek takes practice.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 02:20 PM

there is nothing wrong with 'words' or 'definitions' as long as one knows where the 'words' and 'definitions' ends and reality begins ...

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:17 PM

Hi.

I am pretty new to this forum, having come to it via googling cognitive dissonance.

I have, over more than forty years -- and a lot of unexplained events -- conjectured a view of consciousness that i call GNOS along with an associated templix matrix. Templix of GNOS as in God and/or Nature's Operating System. It begins with a sort of Axiom of Replacing based on (0+1)**n(X+Y), where varying sizes of 0 stand for various degrees of differentiating and varying sizes of 1 stand for various levels of integration. Most people think I am crazy, but one of its fans just won a system integration contract using mathematic insights developed from understanding it. So it seems to have some practicality beyond the arenas of metaphysics and/or spirituality.

Would anyone here care to know more?


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 08:55 PM

View PostAnotherCrazyGuy, on 11 June 2013 - 08:17 PM, said:

Hi.

I am pretty new to this forum, having come to it via googling cognitive dissonance.

I have, over more than forty years -- and a lot of unexplained events -- conjectured a view of consciousness that i call GNOS along with an associated templix matrix. Templix of GNOS as in God and/or Nature's Operating System. It begins with a sort of Axiom of Replacing based on (0+1)**n(X+Y), where varying sizes of 0 stand for various degrees of differentiating and varying sizes of 1 stand for various levels of integration. Most people think I am crazy, but one of its fans just won a system integration contract using mathematic insights developed from understanding it. So it seems to have some practicality beyond the arenas of metaphysics and/or spirituality.

Would anyone here care to know more?

I must admit .. I am pique ... share ?

Or am I expected to pay ... for something ?

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 09:29 PM

Frank Merton said:

Well it is no doubt true that the brain is always active.  It is possible though to empty your mind -- in fact I had a teacher who saw that as a useful exercise.

third_eye said:

there is nothing wrong with 'words' or 'definitions' as long as one knows where the 'words' and 'definitions' ends and reality begins

I would say the mind or consciousness is fundamentally empty.  We fill it with words and definitions, but as third_eye says, when these end we are left with an uncontaminated empty mind which is one with the reality that is experienced.

The 'me' or the 'I' the mind conjurers as an idea of or as a representation of itself distorts reality into its own agenda. This ego or "I" imposes itself on reality, and all it is conscious of is its own imposition.

If we remove this obstacle between the objective and the subjective, what then is consciousness?

Edited by StarMountainKid, 11 June 2013 - 09:30 PM.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 10:09 PM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 11 June 2013 - 09:29 PM, said:

I would say the mind or consciousness is fundamentally empty.  We fill it with words and definitions, but as third_eye says, when these end we are left with an uncontaminated empty mind which is one with the reality that is experienced.

The 'me' or the 'I' the mind conjurers as an idea of or as a representation of itself distorts reality into its own agenda. This ego or "I" imposes itself on reality, and all it is conscious of is its own imposition.

If we remove this obstacle between the objective and the subjective, what then is consciousness?
  Consciousness is......Keep breathing or you lose it forever.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:43 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 11 June 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Consciousness is......Keep breathing or you lose it forever.

I disagree.  Consciousness is your spirit.  It cannot be destroyed or created.

I am a Mormon.  If I don't use Mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other Mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the Mormon faith. Thanks for caring and if you don't peace be with you.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:46 PM

View Postthird_eye, on 11 June 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

I must admit .. I am pique ... share ?

Or am I expected to pay ... for something ?

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Just exactly what piques your interest? Are you a psychologist, or a computer scientist or a philospher, or what?

In ant case, as it is priceless... no price.


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Posted 12 June 2013 - 12:07 AM

what I most understand is that what I am praying for and am whole-heartedly envisioning is coming true.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 07:02 AM

View Postdanielost, on 11 June 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

I disagree.  Consciousness is your spirit.  It cannot be destroyed or created.
  I hope you're right,because if you aren't we're in deep poo.

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Posted 12 June 2013 - 09:32 AM

View Postdanielost, on 11 June 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

I disagree.  Consciousness is your spirit.  It cannot be destroyed or created.
So you were always conscious?


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Posted 13 June 2013 - 01:45 AM

View Postspud the mackem, on 12 June 2013 - 07:02 AM, said:

I hope you're right,because if you aren't we're in deep poo.

If I am wrong it won't matter.

I am a Mormon.  If I don't use Mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
I do not go to church haven't for thirty years.
There are other Mormons on this site. So if I have misspoken about the beliefs. I welcome their input.
I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the Mormon faith. Thanks for caring and if you don't peace be with you.





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