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Decoding Neanderthals


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#1    jmccr8

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Posted 04 June 2013 - 12:52 AM

I came across this link and thought I would share it.I didn't watch the film but rather read the transcript as that option is available.
This program aired on PBS jan9,2013,

      NOVA | Decoding Neanderthals

  During the program Wil Roebroeks,Archaeologist,Lieden University discusses the first known synthetic produced 250kbp,the glue used in bonding spearheads to the shafts was originally thought to be a pine sap,after further analysis it was determined to have been fabricated from birch bark and had been subjected to a thermal process of 400degrees.The whole program is both interesting and informative and the credentials of the praticipants are listed.

I also found the information presented by Metin Eren University of Kent,Canterbury to be quite interesting as well.Mr.Eren discusses the Levallois technology in tool making,he states that it took him 18months to learn this tech even though he has several years experience in flint knapping.


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Posted 04 June 2013 - 04:19 AM

Neanderthals where  not dumb,they where pretty smart to last as long as they did.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 03:05 AM

I wish we knew more of the Neanderthal history.   It is absolutely fascinating.   I wonder if they created structures, monuments or had lived together in primitive towns.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:42 AM

Hi Myles,

Yes Neanderthals are interesting,and there is much to learn about them.I will post some other links later as I only have a few moments before work this morning.Because there are so many similarities between them and Hss I wonder what transfers of knowledge and tech may have occurred over time,I have been looking at what types of information is available although my search skills are not that profound.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:10 AM

Hi Myles,

   If you are interested I am adding links that you or others may find interesting.

PLOS ONE: Genetic Evidence of Geographical Groups among Neanderthals

PLOS Collections: Molar Macrowear Reveals Neanderthal Eco-Geographic Dietary Variation

The first link discusses the regional differences within the Neanderthal species.The second link discusses diet based on tooth wear.The of the wear patterns of the teeth were compared to other Neanderthals that were living in different geographic areas the comparison was also applied to Hss living in those same geographic areas.

  This next link is a wooden structure found in Spain dating from 55-50kbp.It could accomidate between 8-10 people with sleeping areas.

A Very Remote Period Indeed: Neanderthal wooden structures, sleeping areas and group size at Abric Romaní

  This link discusses extended social networks,in part it studies the lithic trade and manufacture,the article is by Rebecca Sykes

Neanderthals 2.0? Evidence for expanded social networks, ethnic diversity and encultured landscapes in the Late Middle Palaeolithic | Rebecca Wragg Sykes - Academia.edu

  This article is about the origins of the Neanderthals,it's not a long article but very informative.After the article if you scroll though to the end there is a library of books and papers covering a wide range of studies on Neanderthals,I am working my way through some of them now.

The origin of Neandertals

   The last link for now is about a previously unknown archaic species of human,a cousin of the Neanderthals,that may have lingered in Africa until perhaps 25kbp,coexisting with modern humans,and on occasion interbreeding with them.

Cousins of Neanderthals Left DNA in Africa, Scientists Report - NYTimes.com



To be honest I really had no interest in Neanderthals,but after being here in the forum and having followed many threads started wondering about and then becoming more interested in them.I have been trying to find some area or rather geographic location that may have their have been their Eden so to speak.There have been so many incidents,tsunamis,earthquakes,meteors,etc over the last million years that have covered or destroyed areas on this globe that many questions will be left unanswered.I'm not talking in the extreme here with alternate realities,just the mundane could there have been denser populations in places like Doggerland or other areas that may not have been intolerable during the ice ages.

  I also wonder if some our history and religious beliefs have been assimilated by us from them,it would be interesting if at some time we found a totem or idol that was in honor of some ancient Hss god.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:37 PM

Wow!   Thanks jm.    Very interesting stuff.    It'll take me a few to read through it all.

I think we really have only hit on the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the life of the neanderthal.    I remember being taught that they were just namads who threw rocks at prey.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 12:43 PM

Also an interesting thread.

http://www.unexplain...topic=210660=


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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:46 AM

Hi

  I saw this article as well as a couple of others and thought I'd add them in this thread.

  The first is about whether horses had been domesticated in Siberia 50k ago.The genetics are still present in horses today.The place that they were found was in the Denisovian cave in the Altai Region.The othere links are from the same source and from the same location.

   Did ancient Siberians domesticate horses 50,000 years ago?

   This article gives the  arrivals of Homo erectus in Siberia at 1milbp to 800kbp minimum, having come through the northern route.

   The first humans arrived in Siberia around one million years ago - attracted by mild weather!  

  Again from the same cave they have found enough genetic material to know that the finger belonged to a girl with dark hair and eyes and skin.They have found that she is related to people in Australia,the Philippines,and,New Guinea.She could be as old as 80kbp to 50kbp as they only had a finger tip to work with.

   Siberian girl comes back to life after more than 50,000 years....

  They also found a fossil that they call Atlai dog,it dates to 33kbp.It is the one of the oldes known ancestor of the modern dog.The creature is closely related to domestic dogs that extant wolves.

  If at some time they can find more conclusive evidence as to whether  they in fact had domesticated horse and dogs in those periods of time.It would make one question just how mobile these people could be and how they could spread out and transport goods from other areas.With dogs they would be good for hunting but the possibility of other domesticated animals and using dogs to herd may could be something else to consider.But that is just speculation on my part.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 01:49 AM

Ooops,forgot the link for the dog fossil.

  New study shows Siberians kept pet dogs 33,000 years ago

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:57 PM

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Back with a couple more links,The first article proposes that Neandertal language and speech,shard with modern humans a millions years ago.The article states that our common ancestor Homo heidelbergsis was capable of speech and that there may be elements of Neandertal language in ours.

Neanderthal Language & Speech Shared With Modern Humans A Million Years Ago, Researchers Say

  This article delves into te finding of the skeletal remains of a human/Neandertal hybrid from Northern Italy dating from 40-30kbp

  First Love Child of Human, Neanderthal Found : Discovery News


  If language and speech have been around that long it makes me wonder how old some oral traditions have been around.Are some of our legends and myths really ours or have we incorporated come from Neandertals.I have another article that suggests that the Basques were Neandertal as their language is so different than other languages.I didn't post it because I thought that it was a little off and with no other posters bringing any discussion to the thread did not think that I would add it,but just for the ell of it I will.

   How the Neanderthals became the Basques

  I am not saying that I agree but it is an interesting proposal anyway.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 03:24 PM

That is an interesting proposal.   Can't wait till we here how neanderthals built Stonehenge and were the inhabitants of Atlantis!


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 07:05 AM

This link is quite interesting and covers a lot of info.Although not the most significant item discussed was a find of a neandertal bone dredged up in the Doggerland area along with other artifacts.The paper discusses the possible extinctions and repopulation of northern Europe and Britain as well as the difficulty in determining Neandertal population densities due to the effect of the LMG and sunken areas.

     The Ancient Human Occupation of Britain - Google Books

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 03:39 PM

Hi,

  I have a couple more links.Kind of short on time so I will just post the links.

Virus "Fossils" Reveal Neanderthals' Kin | Hominid Hunting

Were Neanderthals Victims of Their Own Success? | Hominid Hunting

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 01:52 AM

Hi,

  I found this article while looking for something else and am adding it here.The article is about a 77k mattress found in the Sibudu rock shelter in S.Africa,attributed to Homo erectus.Neandertals were also making grass beds,based on evidence from a cave in Spain dating to 53-39kbp.


     The World's Oldest Mattress | Hominid Hunting


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 02:11 AM

This next article is about fossils found from the longlin cave in the Guangxi Province and the Malu cave in the Yunnan Province of China,and date to 11,500=14,300kbp.The fossils have a unique mix of moden features and traits rarely,if ever,seen in recent and Pleistocene humans.They are proposing that they belong to Denisovian,given the age of the fossils they likely live with Hss.

       New Hominid Species Unearthed in Chinese Caves? | Hominid Hunting

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