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Obama's Murder Victims Younger than Romney's


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#1    Harte

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:23 AM

Obama appointee rolls out her own style of Obamacare "Death Panels."

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U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius reiterated Tuesday that she won’t intervene in the “incredibly agonizing” case involving a 10-year-old Pennsylvania girl who is waiting for a lung transplant.
Medical experts should make those decisions, said Sebelius, who was grilled by Republicans at a Congressional hearing about the situation involving Sarah Murnaghan, who has end-stage cystic fibrosis.

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Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., a former doctor, told Sebelius that it would only take her signature to allow Sarah greater access to the life-saving organs.
Sarah’s parents are challenging current policy that prevents children younger than 12 from receiving adult organ transplants until all adults and teens on the list have been offered the organs -- even if the children are sicker. Younger patients receive priority for pediatric organs matched for size and age, but there are far fewer children’s organs available.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 02:09 AM

View PostHarte, on 06 June 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

Obama appointee rolls out her own style of Obamacare "Death Panels."


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soo you are actually advocating that government be MORE involved in personal healthcare?!!! Not a very conservative or republican position. They might kick you out!

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:18 AM

Newsflash-

The child's predicam,ent was created by government intrusion.

I thought only Republican Presidential candidates were guilty of murdering people through witholding health care.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:35 PM

View PostHarte, on 06 June 2013 - 03:18 AM, said:



I thought only Republican Presidential candidates were guilty of murdering people through witholding health care.

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makes you wonder what else "you thought" didn't or wont turn up as you thought it would.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 02:07 PM

That's a really sad story.....
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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:10 PM

So if I read this correctly, she I still eligible for an adult organ, but only after the teens and adults on the list (who have a higher survival rate because of proper size matching) have gotten theirs.  This article could easily have read as, " Obama's death panel lets 16yr old die to give lung to 10 year old."

It is a sad story, but the problem doesn't lie with partisan politics.  It lies with a shortage of donors.


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:06 PM

It's a sarcastic reference to Mitt Romney's "murder" of the wife of a former employee, a "fact" trumpeted by the Libs during the election.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 11:20 PM

Apparently if you have the money for a good lawyer you can bump yourself in the line now. http://vitals.nbcnew...ts-on-list?lite


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 12:36 AM

View PostGromdor, on 06 June 2013 - 11:20 PM, said:

Apparently if you have the money for a good lawyer you can bump yourself in the line now. http://vitals.nbcnew...ts-on-list?lite

She didn't bump anyone.

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Posted 08 June 2013 - 12:44 AM

They bumped every other child on the children's waiting list who couldn't afford a lawyer.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 02:57 AM

No, she didn't bump anyone, besides you was talking about sixteen your olds.  Besides one day later a boy followed her to that list.  Who should be on the adult list or child list should be up to the doctor .  Not some paper pusher in washington.

Edited by danielost, 08 June 2013 - 03:03 AM.

I am a Mormon.  If I don't use Mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
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Posted 08 June 2013 - 05:26 AM

If you read the article, the way the current system works is as follows. Children and adults are on separate lists but whenever all the adults have their lungs then the children who have a lower survival rate because of the size difference can get an adult lung.  By having lawyers put them on the adult list they are skipping all the other children who also need lungs but can't afford a lawyer to put them on the adult list.  It's a crappy system with a 40% higher mortality rate than the first come first serve system, but instead of fixing the system these kids are bumping themselves ahead with media and lawyers.  Everyone on the list is going to die without a transplant.   Here is some more depressing news- 45% of lung transplant patients die before 5 years and only 30% make it to 10.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 05:31 AM

If they actually put all the children on the adults list like they hinted at in this article, I wouldn't have a problem with it.  http://www.foxnews.c...ung-transplant/.

Edited by Gromdor, 08 June 2013 - 05:32 AM.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 09:58 PM

View Postdanielost, on 08 June 2013 - 02:57 AM, said:

Who should be on the adult list or child list should be up to the doctor .  Not some paper pusher in washington.

This system is designed by doctors and patients. Which is exactly why Sebelius was reluctant to intervene and overrule it.

American Society of Transplant Surgeons Statement on Lung Allocation Policy June 6, 2013

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Recent media attention has drawn into question the current system that governs the manner in which deceased donor organs are distributed and allocated. The Organ Procurement and Transplantation Network (OPTN) is charged by the government to facilitate this activity. OPTN policy development is a deliberative, dynamic process that includes frequent and significant input through a public comment process and final approval by a representative board that includes clinicians, living organ donors, donor families, and recipients. The National Organ Transplantation Act (NOTA) established this process to ensure that both current medical science and patients’ perspectives are at the forefront.

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ASTS and AST support OPTN policies that are based on the best available medical judgment, scientific evidence, and principles of equality, and a continuous refinement of OPTN policies to best serve patients done in an organized and deliberative fashion. We believe it would be unwise to change or otherwise obfuscate current policy without the deliberative approach mandated within NOTA.

In other words, Sebelius bending to political expediency wouldn't serve anyone well in the long run.


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Posted 08 June 2013 - 11:15 PM

I take it you messed the line.the optn is charged by the government.. which means the government has the last word on it, and like anything else controled bythe government one size fits all.

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