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If Adolf Hitler had what the NSA has now

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 07:06 PM

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Posted 09 June 2013 - 09:39 PM

When certain men see the machinations of tyranny around every corner and movie quotes are the ultimate expression of rebellion then they have simply traded in loyalty for country to that for the companies and corporations who sell these entertainment products.

Right wing radio and television is also just an entertainment product.

Not worried about the NSA or wannabe revolutionaries either.


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Posted 09 June 2013 - 10:59 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 09 June 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

When tyranny is a broad, submission is a husband.
fixed for levity ;)

I must not fear. Fear is the Mind-Killer. It is the little death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and to move through me. And when it is gone I will turn the inner eye to see it's path.
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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:15 AM

Here's an interview that Daniel Ellsberg did on CNN yesterday, that was very revealing. The man has more credibility than almost anyone on this subject. After all, he took the heat for just such an act.



Here's an interview with Barton Gellman of the Washington Post, who was one of the reporters that broke this story. What's most revealing is what he's not saying, which I'm sure will eventually come out anyway. After all, Snowden is in the relative safety of Hong Kong, where he can spill the beans as long as he wants. I can't wait for the book.

What I suspect is missing, and still under that "iceberg" he mentions, is the weaponization of the data they are mining. It's also, very likely why Snowden chose the timing he did, which coincided with President Obama's meeting with the Chinese Prime Minister in Palm Springs. The information we will gain, will likely expose a ton of hypocrisy, and I think that's a fair trade for his safety.

Snowden used an interesting code name for his communications with the Washington Post. He called himself Verax, which means "truth teller" in Latin.



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Posted 10 June 2013 - 01:12 PM

View PostThe world needs you, on 09 June 2013 - 09:39 PM, said:

When certain men see the machinations of tyranny around every corner and movie quotes are the ultimate expression of rebellion then they have simply traded in loyalty for country to that for the companies and corporations who sell these entertainment products.

Right wing radio and television is also just an entertainment product.

Not worried about the NSA or wannabe revolutionaries either.

I wonder if you know the difference between a country and its government?


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 05:04 AM

For those who are interested, I'm starting a thread over in
Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs

The title will be, "How will the Antichrist find his Christian victims?"

After all, this is the conservative right's, bad boy of history and while most swear they'll all be partying at Jesus' house, I think there's room for that Amendment's interpretation too.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 11:48 AM

What does the politics forum and this intelligence gathering have to do with the Antichrist?




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Posted 11 June 2013 - 01:27 PM

View PostThe world needs you, on 11 June 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

What does the politics forum and this intelligence gathering have to do with the Antichrist?

if you can't see what, may be you are not yet ready to be here.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 04:00 PM

Still not seeing what conspiracy theories and religious paranoia have to do with actual real-world politics?


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 05:42 PM

View PostThe world needs you, on 11 June 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Still not seeing ........

and you pbly never will.

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Posted 11 June 2013 - 05:52 PM

Because they have nothing whatsoever to do with each other. Reputable politicians across the world do not engage in either paranoia over Nazi-like recreations or conspiracy theories.

Another reason why we probably never will see the connection is because it exists only in the minds of a few who cannot adequately explain the connection.

Do try, if you can, explain what conspiracy theories and religious paranoia have to do with actual real-world politics?


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Posted 11 June 2013 - 07:17 PM

View PostThe world needs you, on 11 June 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

Because they have nothing whatsoever to do with each other. Reputable politicians across the world do not engage in either paranoia over Nazi-like recreations or conspiracy theories.

Another reason why we probably never will see the connection is because it exists only in the minds of a few who cannot adequately explain the connection.

Do try, if you can, explain what conspiracy theories and religious paranoia have to do with actual real-world politics?

If I may: religious paranoia and extremism drives the politics of Israel and Iran, mortal enemies.  That extremism has brought us the Global War On Terror, and its happy participant, my government.

Conspiracies amongst humans, by strict definition, are at least as common as sexual relations amongst humans.  Conspiracy theories are rampant because my government's default modus operandi is deception, sorry to report.

Is that a good start?


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Posted 12 June 2013 - 04:07 AM

I'm always a little suspicious of people who attempt to change the category of another person's thread.

If I wanted to make it a conspiracy, I could have. If I had wanted to make it a subject for alternative history, I could have.

Asking the tough questions about a known government program, is what this thread is about.

I also don't hear this question being ask by the mainstream media. That's not a conspiracy either, they're just stupid.

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Posted 13 June 2013 - 09:28 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 11 June 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:



If I may: religious paranoia and extremism drives the politics of Israel and Iran, mortal enemies.  That extremism has brought us the Global War On Terror, and its happy participant, my government.

Conspiracies amongst humans, by strict definition, are at least as common as sexual relations amongst humans.  Conspiracy theories are rampant because my government's default modus operandi is deception, sorry to report.

Is that a good start?

First of all thank you for answering honestly from your point of view.

Israel and Iran are not models of societies that will be thought of as desirable to live in for me.

Global war on terror is not successful and never had my support. Now that we have made many enemies we have plenty of security concerns to deal with as a result. Would rather we do so in a responsible and prudent manner free of hyper emotion or conspiracy theory.

Sexual relations serve a purpose and can be misused. Conspiracy theories are not going to be put in the same category as me especially since it has little benefit and education can limit the harmful effects, the main effect, of conspiracy theories. That is my view and while it seems you might believe conspiracy theory to be beneficial we will have to disagree.

Not believing that deception is as rampant or the modus operandi of our government because leaks like the Prism one reveal how transparency is easily obtainable. Others will use this same evidence as proof of secrecy being rampant instead. Again we will have to disagree.

Raptor is complaining and while the premise of this thread does seem like CT to me it is cool, his concerns while not agreeable to me will be deferred to. So if you want to respond please do but I won't continue the CT angle here, my piece and peace has been stated, have at it guys. Take care and thanks again for honestly answering from your pov.

Edited by The world needs you, 13 June 2013 - 09:29 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 11:48 AM

U.S. Taps Half-Billion German Phone, Internet Links Each Month: Report

BERLIN, June 30 (Reuters) - The United States taps half a billion phone calls, emails and text messages in Germany in a typical month and has classed its biggest European ally as a target similar to China, according to secret U.S. documents quoted by a German newsmagazine.

The revelations of alleged U.S. surveillance programmes based on documents taken by fugitive former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden ...

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