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#151    Babe Ruth

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:17 PM

View Postpallidin, on 17 June 2013 - 09:11 PM, said:

No, I don't.

But what "authority figures" do you believe in, if I might ask.

I believe in those with a track record for truthful statements, though there are not too many of them, I admit.  And even then I judge every claim they make.

For example, Dennis Kucinich or Russ Feingold or Ron Paul.  That does not mean I agree with every philosophy they might espouse, but I give considerable weight to their statements, all things considered.

I believe Lawrence Wilkerson, former aide to Colin Powell.  I do NOT believe Powell himself, for his track record is clearly one of deception.

There are a handful of elected officials who seem fairly trustworthy, but it's a small number.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:21 PM

I wonder if anyone here would fall under this:

Source...  https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Anarchism

Anarchism is often defined as a political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful.[1][2] However, others argue that while anti-statism is central, it is inadequate to define anarchism solely on this basis.[3] Therefore, they argue instead that anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organization in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Proponents of anarchism, known as "anarchists", advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical free associations.[5][11][12][13][14]

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:25 PM

View Postpallidin, on 17 June 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

I wonder if anyone here would fall under this:

Source...  https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Anarchism

Anarchism is often defined as a political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful.[1][2] However, others argue that while anti-statism is central, it is inadequate to define anarchism solely on this basis.[3] Therefore, they argue instead that anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organization in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Proponents of anarchism, known as "anarchists", advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical free associations.[5][11][12][13][14]

Many do, but they don't know it, in fact, this would be the first time they saw the definition in a context other than terrorism.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:38 PM

View Postpallidin, on 17 June 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

I wonder if anyone here would fall under this:

Source...  https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Anarchism

Anarchism is often defined as a political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, or harmful.[1][2] However, others argue that while anti-statism is central, it is inadequate to define anarchism solely on this basis.[3] Therefore, they argue instead that anarchism entails opposing authority or hierarchical organization in the conduct of human relations, including, but not limited to, the state system.[4][5][6][7][8][9][10] Proponents of anarchism, known as "anarchists", advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical free associations.[5][11][12][13][14]

Wow. So, if you believe in having a smaller, more limited government, like our Founding Fathers set up, then your an anarchist?? What are you smoking? :no:
No one is talking about anarchy. Government's derive their power from the consent of the governed, not by the threat of force!
I believe in having a republic type of government, what this country was founded on. Not anarchy.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:45 PM

View PostKowalski, on 17 June 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Wow. So, if you believe in having a smaller, more limited government, like our Founding Fathers set up, then your an anarchist?? What are you smoking? :no:
No one is talking about anarchy. Government's derive their power from the consent of the governed, not by the threat of force!
I believe in having a republic type of government, what this country was founded on. Not anarchy.

A week after the smaller government is in place it will be the same howling by the loosing party as we have now, where a smaller government will be demanded. Small governments only work there where people behave like grown ups, not there where people behave like spoiled children.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:47 PM

View Postpallidin, on 17 June 2013 - 09:21 PM, said:

I wonder if anyone here would fall under this:

Source...  https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Anarchism

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It is doubful but a few might fall under the minarchist label...

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Minarchism (also known as minimal statism) is a libertarian capitalist political philosophy. It is variously defined by sources. In the strictest sense, it holds that states ought to exist (as opposed to anarchy), that their only legitimate function is the protection of individuals from aggression, theft, breach of contract, and fraud, and that the only legitimate governmental institutions are the military, police, and courts. In the broadest sense, it also includes fire departments, prisons, the executive, and legislatures as legitimate government functions. Such states are generally called night-watchman states.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Minarchism


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 09:58 PM

View PostKowalski, on 17 June 2013 - 09:38 PM, said:

Wow. So, if you believe in having a smaller, more limited government, like our Founding Fathers set up, then your an anarchist?? What are you smoking? :no:
No one is talking about anarchy. Government's derive their power from the consent of the governed, not by the threat of force!
I believe in having a republic type of government, what this country was founded on. Not anarchy.

Snowden had no consent from "the governed" at all, and on top of that, he ran.

He did this completely on his own, so it's very obvious that he neither believes in a democratic or republic type of government.

He just believes in himself.

Again, what a coward and dipweed.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:05 PM

The Koch brothers on the other hand probably believe in Anarcho-capitalism.

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Anarcho-capitalism is a libertarian political philosophy that advocates anarchy in the sense of the elimination of the state in favor of individual sovereignty in a free market. In an anarcho-capitalist society, law enforcement, courts, and all other security services would be provided by privately funded competitors rather than through taxation, and money would be privately and competitively provided in an open market. Therefore, personal and economic activities under anarcho-capitalism would be regulated by privately run law rather than through politics.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:09 PM

View Postpallidin, on 17 June 2013 - 09:58 PM, said:

Snowden had no consent from "the governed" at all, and on top of that, he ran.

He did this completely on his own, so it's very obvious that he neither believes in a democratic or republic type of government.

He just believes in himself.

Again, what a coward and dipweed.

Look what their doing to Manning. So of course he's gonna run! They will lock up this guy in Gitmo, in solitary confinement, for the rest of his natural life. What's happening to Manning, is exactly why he should be in China.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:10 PM

Fictitious from Snowden:

"Oh, the US threw me a ball. I threw it back and hit them, than as a coward I ran away before they could throw it back"

THAT is the mentality of a 4-year old.

Edited by pallidin, 17 June 2013 - 10:11 PM.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:13 PM

View PostKowalski, on 17 June 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Look what their doing to Manning. So of course he's gonna run! They will lock up this guy in Gitmo, in solitary confinement, for the rest of his natural life. What's happening to Manning, is exactly why he should be in China.

Manning is the reason why many will not just blow the whistle but load themselves with something they can sell on the run.

It was certainly not a good service to the country to make such a public case out of it. A quiet article 15 and 2 years of Leavenworth would have done it too.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:15 PM

View PostKowalski, on 17 June 2013 - 10:09 PM, said:

Look what their doing to Manning. So of course he's gonna run! They will lock up this guy in Gitmo, in solitary confinement, for the rest of his natural life. What's happening to Manning, is exactly why he should be in China.

Snowden can't be in Gitmo(he is not an "enemy combatant"), rather Federal prison where he belongs.


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:27 PM

Snowden did a Q&A in an online chat hosted by The Guardian. The transcript has not been fully released in one source but the AP offers us the following
  • Snowden won't voluntarily return to America and blames it on our government, "destroying any possibility of a fair trial."

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The U.S. government is not going to be able to cover this up by jailing or murdering me," he said. He added the government "immediately and predictably destroyed any possibility of a fair trial at home,
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  • Snowden believes he can do more "good" outside of prison than in it...

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"It would be foolish to volunteer yourself to" possible arrest and criminal charges "if you can do more good outside of prison than in it," he said.
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  • Snowden believes the "highest honor" is being called a traitor by Cheney & Co. Remember when he said the best thing about being an American is eating a Krispy Kreme donut after having relations?

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"Being called a traitor by Dick Cheney is the highest honor you can give an American, and the more panicked talk we hear from people like him, Feinstein ... the better off we all are."
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  • Snowden denies being a Chinese spy in quite fanciful terms.

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"Ask yourself: if I were a Chinese spy, why wouldn't I have flown directly into Beijing? I could be living in a palace petting a phoenix by now."
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  • Snowden also claims he has had no contact whatsoever with the Chinese government, which presumably includes even recently...

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"I have had no contact with the Chinese government."
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  • While unrelated to the interview, Manning is currently being tried at Fort Mead where NSA is currently headquartered at according to the AP.

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Manning is currently on trial at Fort Meade — the same Army base where the NSA is headquartered — on charges of aiding the enemy for releasing documents to Wikileaks.
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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:33 PM

Get real, Kowalski.  The only thing China will do, besides "petting" him to give-up any more U.S. secrets(if he even has any), is to use him as a political "bargaining chip"

China hates traitors more than the U.S. They would not trust Snowden around a game console.

In all respects, Snowden is functionally "history"

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 10:43 PM

Yeah, a "no fair trial" defense from someone that globally admits action does not, in any way, prevent trial, else every criminal would do that.

The more Snowden talks, the more he chops his own head-off, but he is so apparently immature as to not understand that.

Edited by pallidin, 17 June 2013 - 10:45 PM.





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