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#1    danielost

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 07:52 PM

This is another don't do it.  Would you want someone to rip your throat out.  This and declawing a cat is just done because said person is lazy.

The samething with shock collers and chock chains.  Basic rule of thumb if you wouldn't want some one doing to you don't do it to your pets.



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Posted 16 June 2013 - 08:15 PM

Can't believe they can find a vet to perform these mutilation's on animals. Never have I came across a debarked dog or a declawed cat, or a person that would do that type of thing to there pet. Cruelty to animals, done by a vet IMO.


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Posted 16 June 2013 - 08:18 PM

Do you know anything about debarking? Do you know about all the different types of procedures that can be done?

I have a debarked dog, I did NOT have the procedure done to her. But I know why it was done. I don't love my dog any less, and I can assure you that my dog has no idea she's been surgically altered.

I personally would NEVER have a dog debarked... the reason is because I'd never own a dog that had a chronic barking problem. I do know a lot about debarking though. In some VERY rare, very special cases I might advocate it for someone else though.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:10 AM

Kinda defeats the nature of a dog, alarming you / the pack when trouble or food is around...     I have a foxhound and I can tell by his various intonations whether someone is outside that shouldn't be or whether he's spotted a rabbit or when someone familiar is there.  It's bad enough we take away breeding capabilities (and I know in the long run its better that way but still...) but to also take away their voice is a mean thing to do.



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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:33 AM

Why have a dog and bark yourself?


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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:38 AM

The whole notion sickens me. I have a staffy and the only time it barks is if someone is at the door. That is because i trained it.

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Posted 17 June 2013 - 01:53 PM

My dog still barks occasionally (she was never a chronic barker to begin with)  even though she's "debarked" although the correct term is "bark softened". She still has her voice, it's just quiet. She didn't have her vocal chords cut or severed as most hack job debarkings are done. She has tiny what I'd call "piercings" in her vocal chords. They're about the size of pierced earring holes. It doesn't affect her in any way. I'm absolutely sure she has no idea her bark is quieter than it should be. Given that, I could see where bark softening could be useful in a few rare cases. There are some dog breeds that bark for the joy of barking and it's very hard to impossible to train it out of them. The most commonly bark softened dog breed are Shelties.

My neighbors had a mini-schnauzer. Bailey died because he wouldn't stop barking. They tried to train it out of him, they even sent him away to an intensive obedience school for a month, and he came back as a barker still. Then they sent him away again to live with some other family members and he came back a year later still a barker. Because I look into their backyard from my living room, I saw this family working intensely with him for a few years. Eventually, since they got so much grief from neighbors, and shattered nerves from all his barking, Bailey went to the vet and never came home. It would have been so much nicer if Bailey had come home bark softened. I believe that after all options have been exhausted for a chronic barker, that bark softening might be an option. It's not a decision to make lightly.

Edited by MissMelsWell, 17 June 2013 - 01:57 PM.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 03:41 AM

I think aving yourvoice box pearced would be painful, until the tissue healed.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:36 AM

Our next door neighbour's two dogs are painful to listen to every time they're left in the house on their own. Talk about headaches and shattered nerves!..... but as annoying as they are I wouldn't wish for them to be 'debarked'.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:22 AM

View Postdanielost, on 19 June 2013 - 03:41 AM, said:

I think aving yourvoice box pearced would be painful, until the tissue healed.

I'm sure it hurt when she was spayed too. It hurt when I had my nose fixed, it hurt when I had a hysterectomy too, it hurt when I slammed my finger in a door too.

Chronic barkers who can't be trained out of it end up in shelters, end up being abused because they won't shut up, and sometimes even wind up dying because of the desperation of the humans who can't make them stop or their inability to be adopted. I think a couple of days of a sore throat when the alternative is considered is less hurtful.

I think Bailey and his family would have been a lot happier bark softened rather than dead. But sadly, no one gave them that option.

Edited by MissMelsWell, 21 June 2013 - 01:26 AM.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:32 AM

IMO, it's better to "de-bark" than to "put down".  Most people can't be with their dogs 24/7 and there are some dogs who just chronically bark when left alone (and you can't train it out of them). Better to have the surgery if all other options have failed.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:36 AM

There is a way of training a barker, you won't train them completely but it helps... Teach them to bark on command, then they know what a bark is and you can teach them "no bark". One of the first things your dog learns is "No" as long as you can teach them what "bark" is, you should have some measure of control. It's not easy, dogs like to bark but it's possible.

Debarking or softening a bark, whatever you want to call it isn't something I would ever do, I also wouldn't dock a tail, nip ears, get dew claws removed, (unless they are causing a problem), I'm sort of a purest, I love them the way they came!! I also don't like to spay a female until she's had one litter and neuter a male before 6 months. They need the hormones to grow properly IMO. Besides, when was the last time you saw a mutt, (not at the pound), they are the best dogs... With all the fixing going on, they are putting the mutt on the endangered species list...


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 01:58 AM

View Postdanielost, on 16 June 2013 - 07:52 PM, said:

This is another don't do it.  Would you want someone to rip your throat out.  This and declawing a cat is just done because said person is lazy.

The samething with shock collers and chock chains.  Basic rule of thumb if you wouldn't want some one doing to you don't do it to your pets.

Training is the best solution although it's harder when you have a barker. I had one, barks at nothing,  barks for fun,  barks for warning. He was on the way to be put down when we got him as a gift , he was a crated unwanted rejected Christmas present to a little girl. He didn't even know what a ball was until we got him :(   Have to admit I fantasized about doing that to him LOL I'd never do it although I threatened him with you're going to get a shock collar like the neighbor's dog. I swear my dog knew what I meant because he knows what the other dog goes through. He still eventually barks once a day at something stupid but at least he stops and he only had persistance as his guide not something cruel :)

Edited by White Unicorn, 21 June 2013 - 02:00 AM.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 01:32 AM

View PostLeah G., on 21 June 2013 - 01:36 AM, said:

There is a way of training a barker, you won't train them completely but it helps... Teach them to bark on command, then they know what a bark is and you can teach them "no bark". One of the first things your dog learns is "No" as long as you can teach them what "bark" is, you should have some measure of control. It's not easy, dogs like to bark but it's possible.

Debarking or softening a bark, whatever you want to call it isn't something I would ever do, I also wouldn't dock a tail, nip ears, get dew claws removed, (unless they are causing a problem), I'm sort of a purest, I love them the way they came!! I also don't like to spay a female until she's had one litter and neuter a male before 6 months. They need the hormones to grow properly IMO. Besides, when was the last time you saw a mutt, (not at the pound), they are the best dogs... With all the fixing going on, they are putting the mutt on the endangered species list...

No female dog should have a litter until all the pets looking for homes are homed. My dog was spayed at 2 years old (no puppies) she hasn't suffered at all. I see mutts ALL the time, the shelters are LOADED with them.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 01:46 AM

I would hate to have to debark a dog but if it was either that or the authorities taking it and having it put down due to neighbourhood complaints, I'd do it.  I would hate that I did it all my life but I would at least have taken the best of two horrible options.

Edit to add: don't they have collars that zap the dog if it barks?  I know that too sounds cruel but it will only affect the dog until he learns to not bark, which should be pretty quickly given the consequences?

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