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#16    stevewinn

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 10:50 AM

View PostSky Scanner, on 17 June 2013 - 11:22 AM, said:

If you know it, I know it, and everyone knows it - then how can their response be an over reaction, common sense isn't it to second guess a scenario, play it down and act in a way that prevents further riots?

it would be fine if there were other "strategies" going on to reduce the risk of race riots - but since the 60's through to the 80's and into the millennium the authorities are happy to paper over the cracks and pretend everything is fine. when we have minority groups openly murdering British Citizens on the streets then something as gone horribly wrong. the appeasement as not worked. - have a watch of the BBC's 'White' Season. it highlights the Thatcher Governments reaction to racial tensions. it shows the governments thinking and strategy at the time. basically it shows two options. one was a policy aimed at integration for migrants and minority groups. this was done in a number of ways which would have forced integration. the second option was the one chosen, at the last minute on advice from Civil servants and social experts. it was a option of throwing money at minority groups in a bid of appeasement the policy allowed communities not to integrate but segregate we are today living with the consequences of this failed policy. Were so far down the tracks im not sure we could reverse the policy. and so the government continues with their only option - over reaction - trying to keep the lid on the pressure cooker.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 04:40 PM

In this isolated incident, the man was clearly mentally challenged. He attacked anyone regardless of religious conviction or race.

I think that what is being said is that if the UK did not have (effectively) an Open Door on immigration then this particular person would not have been here to commit this crime.

Multiculturalism is a seriously flawed policy (and one that even Spain is trying to redress) because all you get are immigrants hiding behind culturally advanced laws to commit culturally backward crimes (yes that is my own quote).

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 06:45 PM

Yes the BBC report raised a wry smile with me. It was like....' A man stabbed four people & a policeman in a mosque today, but the great news is that it wasn't a hate crime.....phew.....'
If it wasn't a hate crime (whatever that means) then why even say it?  It wasn't attempted rape either but they didn't say that.
A few years back, within the space of a week there were two identical news items reported on the BBC.
The first was a white guy & his girlfriend were approached by two black men & the guy was stabbed by one of the black guys & they then ran off, a motiveless assult.
The following week, the same thing happened only this time a black guy was stabbed by a white guy who again just ran off, again a motiveless crime.
Both BBC reports were exactly the same but with one subtle difference. In reporting the second incident the reporter added .....'It's not known yet whether this incident was racially motivated'  So the question remains if they don't know then why mention it. And if you're going to say that, then why not say at the end of the other report also.? The BBC regularly practice sublte racial prejudice in their reporting, but it only goes in one direction.

p.s. Also worth noting is that the police were apparently on the scene within 4 minutes. Uncharacteristically rapid response don't you think.
Wonder how that compares to response time in the Lee Rigby murder.

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Posted 18 June 2013 - 08:14 PM

Well this crime was not a race crime or a hate crime? where do they get this type of info from?
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The lawyers are going to have their work cut out on this one! unless the human rights brigade manage to get him off with an ankle tag.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:23 AM

what do others think about this? surely not true must be more to it? IF true it just highlights the problems.

‘Get the bacon sarnies out’ remark cost Heywood IT contractor dream job

Clive Hunt, 58, says he was offered the  eight month contract with the NHS after attending an interview set up by recruitment firm Reed.

An IT contractor claims an off-the-cuff remark about a bacon butty cost him a dream £1,000 a week job. Clive Hunt, 58, says he was offered the eight month contract with the NHS after attending an interview set up by recruitment firm Reed.

But he says he lost out on the job he should have started last Monday after he told a recruitment consultant he would ‘get the bacon sarnies in’.
The married dad, from Heywood, said he wasn’t aware he had offended recruitment consultant Sharika Sacranie, 29, who he met at the firm’s offices in King Street, Manchester, to finalise paperwork, until he received a phone call from a senior manager. Mr Hunt said: “After we shook hands she said that she would come over to meet me on site with the other contractors and take us for breakfast. My parting words to her were ‘I will buy the bacon sandwiches’.
“Later, as I was driving home, Ms Sacranie’s manager called me and wanted to know about the racist remark I had made. I said I had not made one and he said I had said that I would get her a bacon sandwich. But I only made the remark because she referred to breakfast. “The woman was of Asian appearance. I am not a racist, never have been. I wasn’t brought up that way.

“Bacon sandwiches are often eaten at breakfast. I didn’t think for a minute this would have caused offence otherwise I wouldn’t have said it. I have lost a contract because of an unassuming remark about a bacon sarnie. I have been an IT contractor for 30 years and never been subjected to this.
“I’m really gutted that I’ve missed out on this job. I was over the moon when I got it . I love working for the NHS, I know their systems.”

A spokesman for Reed said: “Due to inappropriate comments made to members of our staff during the recruitment process before Mr Hunt started his new role we have unfortunately decided that we do not feel we can represent this client further. “A senior manager from the Reed team spoke to Mr Hunt via telephone following an inappropriate comment made to a member of staff before he was due to start in the role. During that conversation, Mr Hunt made further inappropriate comments.
“At this point it became clear to the senior manager that Reed could no longer represent Mr Hunt. Reed is committed to supporting its staff, clients and candidates and this is not a decision we have taken lightly.”

Mr Hunt added: “When the manager called me, I was driving and I got increasingly exasperated as he kept telling me I should admit to my wrongdoing for referring to bacon sandwiches. In the end I told him to ‘sod off’ and put the phone down. They have blown this out of all proportion.”

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 09:46 AM

View Poststevewinn, on 19 June 2013 - 09:23 AM, said:

what do others think about this? surely not true must be more to it? IF true it just highlights the problems.

‘Get the bacon sarnies out’ remark cost Heywood IT contractor dream job

Clive Hunt, 58, says he was offered the  eight month contract with the NHS after attending an interview set up by recruitment firm Reed.

An IT contractor claims an off-the-cuff remark about a bacon butty cost him a dream £1,000 a week job. Clive Hunt, 58, says he was offered the eight month contract with the NHS after attending an interview set up by recruitment firm Reed.

But he says he lost out on the job he should have started last Monday after he told a recruitment consultant he would ‘get the bacon sarnies in’.
The married dad, from Heywood, said he wasn’t aware he had offended recruitment consultant Sharika Sacranie, 29, who he met at the firm’s offices in King Street, Manchester, to finalise paperwork, until he received a phone call from a senior manager. Mr Hunt said: “After we shook hands she said that she would come over to meet me on site with the other contractors and take us for breakfast. My parting words to her were ‘I will buy the bacon sandwiches’.
“Later, as I was driving home, Ms Sacranie’s manager called me and wanted to know about the racist remark I had made. I said I had not made one and he said I had said that I would get her a bacon sandwich. But I only made the remark because she referred to breakfast. “The woman was of Asian appearance. I am not a racist, never have been. I wasn’t brought up that way.

“Bacon sandwiches are often eaten at breakfast. I didn’t think for a minute this would have caused offence otherwise I wouldn’t have said it. I have lost a contract because of an unassuming remark about a bacon sarnie. I have been an IT contractor for 30 years and never been subjected to this.
“I’m really gutted that I’ve missed out on this job. I was over the moon when I got it . I love working for the NHS, I know their systems.”

A spokesman for Reed said: “Due to inappropriate comments made to members of our staff during the recruitment process before Mr Hunt started his new role we have unfortunately decided that we do not feel we can represent this client further. “A senior manager from the Reed team spoke to Mr Hunt via telephone following an inappropriate comment made to a member of staff before he was due to start in the role. During that conversation, Mr Hunt made further inappropriate comments.
“At this point it became clear to the senior manager that Reed could no longer represent Mr Hunt. Reed is committed to supporting its staff, clients and candidates and this is not a decision we have taken lightly.”

Mr Hunt added: “When the manager called me, I was driving and I got increasingly exasperated as he kept telling me I should admit to my wrongdoing for referring to bacon sandwiches. In the end I told him to ‘sod off’ and put the phone down. They have blown this out of all proportion.”

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Disgusting. And the rise & rise of the professionally offended continues. I thought we might see an end to this sort of crap once Nu Labour were no long in the driving seat, but apparently sadly not. Would this daft type of behavior be permitted had the roles been reversed.
Ms Sacranie & her managers face should be plastered across every newspaper so others can avoid.
Frankly, I think Mr Hunt probably had a lucky escape.

Edited by itsnotoutthere, 19 June 2013 - 10:07 AM.

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