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Human brain uploads possible by 2045 ?


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#16    DieChecker

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:08 PM

The problem I foresee is one that goes on right now... people with 4, 6, 10 facebook accounts, wanting 5, 10, 20 brain clones of themselves out there running around. You'd get some idiots out there making a copy of themselves every day and sending it out into the world to be a drain of resources to everyone else. I really doubt that the best and brightest will spam the internet with thousands of copies of themselves, yet just about every teenager will.

It will need to be policed.......... sadly... :cry:

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:32 PM

Now tell me.Who really wants to live beyond a normal lifespan? If you succeed,then you outlive your friends,family etc.Upon the death of my father,I realized that after his passing,knowing that he lived that extra few years longer than others,he also suffered those extra years longer suffering until the end.He lived a very healthy life as a non smoker & drinker.His later life was not what anyone would want to live,given the restrictions of the onset of blindness,his having to wear a catheter etc. & his loss of his use of his legs.I felt for Dad.I knew that he deserved better than that.But when your time draws near,you do not know what luxuries you are allowed.It hurt to see him suffer.I asked God why? I knew that Adam,the first man lived some 930 years.How did he fair in his last few years? I don't know.The first man on Earth must also have had to suffer the degradation from his healthy manhood to his decrease of activity until his end.How long would his family have been made to suffer until his demise?It must have been more prolonged & agonising.With the prolonged death of our father, We,our family,all had to go through it.It hurt so bad.Dad was a strong & active man.He went to work & never complained.He did the right thing always.Then his decline reminded us of how human we all were.My Dad was the most understanding man on Earth.He was a friend to everyone.He had a sense of humour that I would also like to accept that I have inherited.He looked after all his girls after never having the son that he wanted,but still,his girls were his prized children.He never had the son that he wanted,but,he always loved & cared for his girls.He wanted us all to have good & promising lives.He helped me when I went through my divorce,he was there,& he always gave me good advice.I miss him so much now!He was my best friend!He loved me so much.That is what I think a Father is really meant to be like.He loved me & was proud of me no matter what.A true father in the sense.When his death came,I was in a sense of shock & with a questioning of my beliefs. Now you are getting to the subject of immortality.When everyone else around you is gone,where do you go?Who wants to live beyond the normal lifespan of everyone that you know around you with the fear of death?Who wants to live in this physical world without God,beyond the latest expected lifespan alone without the very family members that encourage your existence? Whatever,who in their right mind would want to try to avoid death in this world and upload your brain into a robotic existence,an existence in a robotic simulation that extends to many years beyond normal human experience that is beyond normality?

Edited by GirlfromOz, 21 June 2013 - 05:23 PM.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:39 PM

If everyone could do it, you'd not be alone for long.

Plus, you could remain with your decendents/family.

Don't you think your Father would like to see what you make of yourself, and your kids, and grandkids and even further on??? Instead of a vase with ashes in it, or a grave in a field, you'd have Dad backed up on a Flash Drive and ready to give wisdom or to listen to what eveyone has been doing and express his Pride, or Hope for everyone.

I suppose it would work better it there were true holographic projects so people could feel they are talking to a living image, rather then just a program in the computer.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:03 PM

This idea would be nice for exotic vacations. For instance, we could have a robot probe on any planet or planet's moon and transmit the digital information that is your brain into the robot's computer, and you could experience being on that planet or moon.

As someone here said, the digital copy of your brain would be "you", but it would be a separate "you" from your biological brain, like a digital clone. When your biological brain is old and dies, "you" would continue on as the digital copy, but the biological "you" would be dead. So the biological "you" would never experience the digital copy.

From the biological standpoint, what would be the purpose or point of creating a digital copy of yourself?

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:18 PM

There could be a market for robots (more like sexbots) with brain uploads of celebrities.


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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:22 PM

I think this is possible. But their date 2045 seems alittel too ambitious

" I imagine that the intellegent people are the ones so intellegent that they dont even need or want to look "intellegent" anymore".
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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:26 PM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 21 June 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

This idea would be nice for exotic vacations. For instance, we could have a robot probe on any planet or planet's moon and transmit the digital information that is your brain into the robot's computer, and you could experience being on that planet or moon.

As someone here said, the digital copy of your brain would be "you", but it would be a separate "you" from your biological brain, like a digital clone. When your biological brain is old and dies, "you" would continue on as the digital copy, but the biological "you" would be dead. So the biological "you" would never experience the digital copy.

From the biological standpoint, what would be the purpose or point of creating a digital copy of yourself?

It appeals to (some) peoples vanity, like they imagine someone might want to check them out in future. Similar psychology exists on facebook where people share their photos from birth to present, while lovingly writing down what books and films and music they like, what they ate for breakfast, and how pished off they are at work. that  kind of thing.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:55 PM

There is no existing model which demonstrates that the diffuse and ephemeral reality we call "consciousness" can be detected, much less digitally stored for posterity. Said another way, there is no evidence that electronic preservation of the human brain will--or can--harness the conscious life of a subject, sometimes referred to in the vernacular as that person's "individuality," "identity," "essence" or even "spirit." Mind and consciousness are related; they are not identical.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:37 PM

http://youtu.be/DFEJRuVRFoE?t=22s

Come on seriously what else would the bigger picture do with the unlimited stock video storage.

why is everyone so &^%$ing concerned with "the end"...
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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:50 PM

At first I thought "Cool! it'll be like in the Matrix" no more school, but then I realized that would be downloading into the brain. They're talking about uploading into an electronic device so I guess that's more like "Surrogates", so you wouldn't know anything more, just have another body.  I like the downloading idea better.  

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:14 PM

View PostLilly, on 21 June 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

What about our consciousness?

What about our sub-consciousness? Sometimes is more improtant then consciousness.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:39 PM

My father reminded me that decades ago people where saying that in the year 2000 there'll be no need to eat foods and that all computers will be messed up and that kind of things which many experts supported.

Now, needless to say we're far from that in 2013. We still eat a lot of meats and our computers works fine, they haven't taken over either.

So, as to upload our consciousness in a computer in 2045 I think it's a prediction that should be considered with moderation. In any case, I have a hard time considering that seriously.
Who should want to live in a machine and be reduced to data, wires and circuits? I've no doubt that technologies will change ou world significantly in the futur but that doesn't mean we should give ourselves to it.

Edited by sam_comm, 21 June 2013 - 11:42 PM.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 01:03 AM

Wow!   i don't know how a copy could function like a living brain.  A copy of what?  ..   Memories? ,  which would include all  'knowledge' .  How do you make a digital copy of functions?
    It's like  .. where's the hardware to run this stuff !?    i Can't open my Files!!!!*    oh noooo  i froze up!!    .. somebody unplug me  .. please!

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 06:51 AM

Well, I think the story is BS, but it is a fascinating thought anyway. Wouldn´t it be great if google was right --- the various religionists would certainly have something to chew on...... considering that being in charge of our eternal afterlife, would Google not be God?

And could this Google then not create Heaven and Hell for your digitized brains on the server? The mind boggles.... personally, I say I find the idea of Larry Page being in charge of my digital soul about as appealing as muslim paradise with its virgins...

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 07:40 AM

The philosophical problem of identity (is it really me?) would persist and I suspect give a lot of people serious pause.

Another approach is to keep the brain alive forever in some sort of heavily protected cocoon and live virtual lives.





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