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#76    Norbert the Incredible

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 06:33 AM

View PostJacques Terreur, on 27 June 2013 - 04:34 AM, said:

or just something like the Mars Rover. Everybody likes remote-controlled stuff!
indeed, I've often argued that, if any UFOs are indeed spacecraft from Out There, they're far more likely to be robotic probes (perhaps AI, to avoid problems of the lag in transmission with remote control) than manned. Or Alienned.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 02:10 PM

Colonel, I would agree that a percentage of ufo's seem/appear to be just that. I have seen some pics of alleged probes from around the world, and to me, though not an expert by any means thats what they appear to be. It makes sense, as that is what NASA and the world are doing right now in our solar system, so why couldn't some be probes from someplace out there?


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:41 PM

View PostRon Jeremy, on 27 June 2013 - 03:55 AM, said:

The real questions are...what about the gravity? The period of rotations and revolutions? I think aliens won't bother colonize a planet if it doesn't fit these criteria.

And that's just the beginning. Venus is a "habitable" rocky planet. Mars is a "habitable" rocky planet. Obviously the criteria of rock and location as being "habitable" isn't complete.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 03:45 PM

View Postscowl, on 27 June 2013 - 03:41 PM, said:

And that's just the beginning. Venus is a "habitable" rocky planet. Mars is a "habitable" rocky planet. Obviously the criteria of rock and location as being "habitable" isn't complete.
It's conceivable either of them could be perceived as ideal by a certain type of alien with a lifestyle a bit different from ours.  Mars's alien could even be carbon based.

I suspect in time we may terraform both of them.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 06:58 PM

Well, here's one possible theory & a very plausible one why we haven't been visited by aliens.
Perhaps Einstein was right, perhaps the speed on light IS the absolute maximum speed that anything can travel, perhaps it is simply impossible to travel any faster. in which case even if aliens did exist they & we may be always trapped on our own planet by the sheer distances involved.
The argument for the possibility of alien life in the universe is the sheer number of stars we can see, which is a perfectly reasonable argument, BUT if nothing can travel faster than the speed of light then of all those thousands of millions of stars out there, we would have to be lucky enough that perhaps only the nearest 50 or 60 have exactly the right conditions to develop life, & so the numbers argument becomes redundant.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 08:10 PM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 27 June 2013 - 06:58 PM, said:

Well, here's one possible theory & a very plausible one why we haven't been visited by aliens.
Perhaps Einstein was right, perhaps the speed on light IS the absolute maximum speed that anything can travel, perhaps it is simply impossible to travel any faster. in which case even if aliens did exist they & we may be always trapped on our own planet by the sheer distances involved.
The argument for the possibility of alien life in the universe is the sheer number of stars we can see, which is a perfectly reasonable argument, BUT if nothing can travel faster than the speed of light then of all those thousands of millions of stars out there, we would have to be lucky enough that perhaps only the nearest 50 or 60 have exactly the right conditions to develop life, & so the numbers argument becomes redundant.

Einstein may be right, but I have a hunch he may be in error, or that what we think is the limit of speed, actually may not be or that it would only apply to us at least for now. For example, NASA as I write this is looking into the possibility that  a warp drive ship may be possible and are trying to build one as I type this. The other things that is really interesting is that many top thinkers, and Physists think that the trick to moving great distances across the galaxy and space is the ability to move or "bend" space itself, as opposed to building a fast propulsion system. Time will tell, but lots is happening.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 10:28 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 27 June 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

It's conceivable either of them could be perceived as ideal by a certain type of alien with a lifestyle a bit different from ours.

What kind of lifestyle involves living in crushing pressures at temperatures that melt lead?


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 10:34 PM

View PostSpacenut56, on 27 June 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

Einstein may be right, but I have a hunch he may be in error, or that what we think is the limit of speed, actually may not be or that it would only apply to us at least for now.

What do you base your "hunch" that Einstein was "in error"? Do you fully comprehend his theories? Have you seen the overwhelming amount of evidence that supports them?

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For example, NASA as I write this is looking into the possibility that  a warp drive ship may be possible and are trying to build one as I type this.

So are they "looking into the possibility" or are they "trying to build one"? These are two very different things.

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The other things that is really interesting is that many top thinkers, and Physists think that the trick to moving great distances across the galaxy and space is the ability to move or "bend" space itself, as opposed to building a fast propulsion system. Time will tell, but lots is happening.

None of them have any clue how to do this so it's nothing but science fiction.


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Posted 27 June 2013 - 10:37 PM

View PostSpacenut56, on 27 June 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

Einstein may be right, but I have a hunch he may be in error, or that what we think is the limit of speed, actually may not be or that it would only apply to us at least for now. For example, NASA as I write this is looking into the possibility that  a warp drive ship may be possible and are trying to build one as I type this. The other things that is really interesting is that many top thinkers, and Physists think that the trick to moving great distances across the galaxy and space is the ability to move or "bend" space itself, as opposed to building a fast propulsion system. Time will tell, but lots is happening.

Can you post some evidence re 'warp' drive & 'bending' space, because these two subjects are both the product of popular science fiction.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 10:40 PM

View PostSpacenut56, on 27 June 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

nasa as I write this is looking into the possibility that  a warp drive ship may be possible and are trying to build one as I type this.

Have you got some credible links about nasa warpdrive? I thought it was all just a theory they were working on

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 12:08 AM

View PostSpacenut56, on 27 June 2013 - 08:10 PM, said:

Einstein may be right, but I have a hunch he may be in error,

Really? May I ask what you are basing that hunch on?

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or that what we think is the limit of speed, actually may not be or that it would only apply to us at least for now.

We are pretty certain what the speed limit is, so to speak. At least we haven't seen anything contradicting it yet.

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For example, NASA as I write this is looking into the possibility that  a warp drive ship may be possible and are trying to build one as I type this.

And where exactly are they trying to build this contraption?

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The other things that is really interesting is that many top thinkers, and Physists think that the trick to moving great distances across the galaxy and space is the ability to move or "bend" space itself, as opposed to building a fast propulsion system. Time will tell, but lots is happening.

Yes, wormholes are very nice theoretical solutions to the Theory of General Relativity. Sadly, they have no practical solutions yet.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 03:28 AM

But atlast Its a Good thing to Dream,from the mind of man & woman comes the Dreams,that may become the Future of our Travel into the Stars ! Afterall,One Should Dream ,And Really Good Dreams ! :innocent:

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:06 AM

View Postitsnotoutthere, on 27 June 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Can you post some evidence re 'warp' drive & 'bending' space, because these two subjects are both the product of popular science fiction.
I don't know where you are, but in the U.S. I got this information from Morgan Freemans excellent program called "Through the Wormhole."


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:17 AM

View PostSpacenut56, on 28 June 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

I don't know where you are, but in the U.S. I got this information from Morgan Freemans excellent program called "Through the Wormhole."

It is still very much in the theoretical stage at this point. So far they need 'negative mass', which there is no evidence such a thing even exists, and ungodly amounts of energy (even at modern levels we aren't even close... not even in the same league).They don't even have a proof of concept model yet.


*On a side note, Through the Wormhole isn't Morgan Freeman's program. He's just the talent hired to host it.

Edited by Slave2Fate, 28 June 2013 - 10:20 AM.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 10:18 AM

View PostSpacenut56, on 28 June 2013 - 10:06 AM, said:

I don't know where you are, but in the U.S. I got this information from Morgan Freemans excellent program called "Through the Wormhole."

Please do not pass on Entertainment Shows as credible source of such info. Even if Morgan Freeman is involved.





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