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#1    danielost

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:07 PM

I watched hannaty last night.  He had a studio adence.  All black american.  They told him that they were tired of self-setergation.  So african-american is out.  It is now american.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:15 PM

We are all American if we are citizens no matter where we came from.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:51 PM

View Postdanielost, on 22 June 2013 - 11:07 PM, said:

I watched hannaty last night.  He had a studio adence.  All black american.  They told him that they were tired of self-setergation.  So african-american is out.  It is now american.

We shouldn't describe ourselves as Polish Americans, African Americans, Mexican Americans, etc.....We're all Americans!
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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:17 AM



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Posted 23 June 2013 - 12:21 AM

To us here, it doesn't matter what color you are, you are all Americans ..

It depends on the American ..Some may want the full title IE  Italian American...Some just call themselves Americans.
In the end that's is what you all are - Americans ..

I love how you all are so proud of your country and proud to be Americans..

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 05:31 AM

Patriotism is the highest form of Collectivism.  Trading nationalities achieves the same collective result.  Humanity is thus divided and the individual more easily manipulated by the majority.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 05:55 AM

To a non-native English speaker, the word "American" is full of problems.  First, what do you call Canadians or Mexicans or Cubans or Brazilians.  Aren't they all "Americans" too.  When referring to the countries, it's possible to say things like, "the US," or "the States," and not have to refer to the States as "America."  However, no informal way to refer to residents of the US exists (at least none that doesn't in some contexts have negative connotations -- "Yanks" comes to mind but there are some Americans who don't like it.

Vietnamese is easier.  We have the word "mi" (pronounced "mee") that derives from a similar Chinese word meaning "beautiful land," and it is here used informally to refer to anything American.  It is a singularly positive expression that loses the affirmation implication in translation.  For this reason the anti-American government discouraged it for awhile but now has not only accepted it but encourages it.

I think the idea of "hyphenated Americans" is a good one.  People should be proud of both their heritage and their present nationality, and I see no reason why one should rule out the other.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 05:58 AM

I would recommend distinguishing between "patriotism" (love of a fatherland) and "jingoism," (my country is better than others).


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 06:32 AM

Teddy would disagree, Frank.


"There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all … The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic … There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else."

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 06:42 AM

I'm not quite sure what it is about the first Roosevelt president that should make his opinion here valid.  Reading what he says I discern logical fallacies and emotional propaganda.  Looked at objectively, the paragraph you quote is not persuasive.


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Posted 23 June 2013 - 09:29 AM

Was it "emotional propaganda" when he spoke those words, probably so. But regardless, it's a simple truth. So basically what he's saying, for example: Calling todays Americans, African Americans, Hispanic and Latino Americans, Native Americans and so on, is just plain ignorant, since we all live in one country and not anywhere else in the world. And doing such a thing causes a rift among us, separates us, divides us, which is what some of the outside world wants. We are not anything else, but Americans, despite our cultural heritages and where we came from. You live in our country, you are an American, it's just that simple.

We are nothing but Americans and we have no need for hyphenated terms in front of that. We don't speak hyphenated Americanism when go up against a enemy of the country. We all band together as Americans, as it should be, and when asked by allies or the enemy, we all say we are Americans, nothing more. No matter what our race or cultural backgrounds may be, to do otherwise is quite frankly...ridiculous.

No hyphenated Americanism required or needed. So for us, what Roosevelt said, is valid.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:52 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 23 June 2013 - 06:42 AM, said:

I'm not quite sure what it is about the first Roosevelt president that should make his opinion here valid.  Reading what he says I discern logical fallacies and emotional propaganda.  Looked at objectively, the paragraph you quote is not persuasive.

No frank, the best way to get more citizens to root for you is to dived them.  Such as the jews are evil, the rich only care about themselves things like that.  What teddy was saying is if you allow people to call themselves something-american your dividing the nation.  The person who started the african-american name has had a lot of power out of it.  In fact he ran for president.  He is jesse jankson.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:56 AM

So Hannity got an audience full of black people and that renders the term African-American defunct? I didn't know he was a wizard on top of being a blowhard.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:56 AM

Americans tend to be cruel to each other.  But when something bad happens those differences go away for a while.  Look what happned in new york, no one there was seeing skin color.  You helped the first person you come to.

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Posted 23 June 2013 - 10:58 AM

View PostAlmagest, on 23 June 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

So Hannity got an audience full of black people and that renders the term African-American defunct? I didn't know he was a wizard on top of being a blowhard.

He didn't say it they did.

I am a Mormon.  If I don't use Mormons believe, those my beliefs only.
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I am not perfect and never will be. I do strive to be true to myself. I do my best to stay true to the Mormon faith. Thanks for caring and if you don't peace be with you.




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