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#211    SSilhouette

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 04:02 PM

Not believing in bacteria just because you've never seen them or experienced them doesn't mean they don't exist.

I have personally verified a significant amount of what scots nomad has reported.  That's why this thread caught my eye.  In all fairness Mike, Scots probably deals with quite a lot of heated attacks on his material so by now he's probably just assuming anyone starting out not believing him is heading in that direction.  His reaction to your reaction is the common scenario when profound truths meet the "certainty" of day to day life.  I can't say 100% sure for him.  But when I've told people about the dozen or so sightings of my double by other people, I've gotten the same type of reaction from a good number of people who read about them.  They simply won't accept that it could be a possiblity.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 05:18 PM

View PostSSilhouette, on 18 September 2013 - 04:02 PM, said:

Not believing in bacteria just because you've never seen them or experienced them doesn't mean they don't exist.

I have personally verified a significant amount of what scots nomad has reported.  That's why this thread caught my eye.  In all fairness Mike, Scots probably deals with quite a lot of heated attacks on his material so by now he's probably just assuming anyone starting out not believing him is heading in that direction.  His reaction to your reaction is the common scenario when profound truths meet the "certainty" of day to day life.  I can't say 100% sure for him.  But when I've told people about the dozen or so sightings of my double by other people, I've gotten the same type of reaction from a good number of people who read about them.  They simply won't accept that it could be a possiblity.

Like I said before, I am well aware that my not believing his story has no affect on him what so ever. It shouldn't, I am just one person out of several billion who has an opinion. I don't have anything at all against the OP, I don't even know the guy. It is a fantastic story that will definitely make a good book one day. I don't fault him for coming on here and telling the story, that is what this website is all about. I should also not be faulted for not actually believing it to be 100% true, because that is also what this website is all about. I don't believe I have attacked the OP, and it definitely wasn't heated. If it came across that way, well, I most definitely apologize. I am actually a very open minded type of person. I am also a person that doesn't jump off into willy nilly land and believe everything that somebody posts on an internet forum. When somebody comes on here with a fantastic story about any number of sightings, reports, or whatever, it is in my opinion that person/persons are burdened with having to prove it true. The reader is not burdened with having to prove it false. It just seems to happen that way far too often. If the individual has no interest in proving anything true, and is just on here telling a story, then I see no reason for that person to question anyone who doesn't believe it. Once again, just my opinion, I am full of them and not all of them are very good. I will continue to read this thread with great interest, because its a good story to me, nothing less nothing more. Can I ask how you have personally verified what has been reported, and what you have personally verified?

Mike


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 06:11 PM

There really is nothing to argue about - some people will believe my story others wont, and as I said from the beginning I have no problem either way and am happy for people just to find it an interesting story.  I am happy to share my story and answer any questions people may have but I don't feel under any burden to prove I am telling the truth - I have mentioned quite a few things which can be verified but they can only be checked by a physical examination by some reputable body with the knowledge and equipment to examine my emails/video tape or whatever forensically to verify that they haven't been tampered with.  Obviously that can't be done here so it really is up to everyone to make up their own mind about it.  I have no desire to argue about it here as it is a pointless debate for now and I am happy enough to know that everyone will realise I am telling the truth eventually.  Until then let's just to agree to differ.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:30 PM

View Postmsmike1, on 18 September 2013 - 05:18 PM, said:

I don't have anything at all against the OP, I don't even know the guy. It is a fantastic story that will definitely make a good book one day.
Mike
There is already several books mike.


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 05:00 PM

View Postscots_nomad, on 18 September 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

There really is nothing to argue about - some people will believe my story others wont, and as I said from the beginning I have no problem either way and am happy for people just to find it an interesting story.  I am happy to share my story and answer any questions people may have but I don't feel under any burden to prove I am telling the truth - I have mentioned quite a few things which can be verified but they can only be checked by a physical examination by some reputable body with the knowledge and equipment to examine my emails/video tape or whatever forensically to verify that they haven't been tampered with.  Obviously that can't be done here so it really is up to everyone to make up their own mind about it.  I have no desire to argue about it here as it is a pointless debate for now and I am happy enough to know that everyone will realise I am telling the truth eventually.  Until then let's just to agree to differ.

I am all for agreeing to differ. I hate conflict to be honest. There was a time when I thrived on it, but I had to make some changes in life and I like good discussion much better now. I am continuing to read the entire thread, I have to read little parts at a time, and still find it very interesting and have decided to go at this with a different mindset, if not just for chitz and giggles. So, with that said, I would like to ask a few questions if you don't mind. If they have already been asked I apologize up front.

From the bits I have read, it appears that these beings, voices, personalities, not sure what to call them, are many in number to the point of being infinite.  Would you say that is an accurate description?  Anywhere and everywhere, from beginning to end, and all points in between?

Are these personalities gender specific? Odd question I know, but it just popped into my head.

Are we talking aliens here, celestial beings, angels, devils, demons?

I know that in previous posts you have talked about prediction in a round and about way. Have they predicted anything in the near future? Maybe a better way to put that is have you maybe decoded anything from their words that you think could possibly happen?

What is my middle name? Just had to throw that one in there. I can only be serious for so many minutes a day until I have to have some comedic relief.

I know that you have said you are not a religious man, but have you considered these "personalities" could possible be evil in a way? You know they say that the devil's greatest accomplishment would be to make you believe he doesn't exist.

That is all for now. I'm sure I will think of others in the meantime.

Mike


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Posted 19 September 2013 - 09:13 PM

View Postmsmike1, on 19 September 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

I am all for agreeing to differ. I hate conflict to be honest. There was a time when I thrived on it, but I had to make some changes in life and I like good discussion much better now. I am continuing to read the entire thread, I have to read little parts at a time, and still find it very interesting and have decided to go at this with a different mindset, if not just for chitz and giggles. So, with that said, I would like to ask a few questions if you don't mind. If they have already been asked I apologize up front.

From the bits I have read, it appears that these beings, voices, personalities, not sure what to call them, are many in number to the point of being infinite.  Would you say that is an accurate description?  Anywhere and everywhere, from beginning to end, and all points in between?

Are these personalities gender specific? Odd question I know, but it just popped into my head.

Are we talking aliens here, celestial beings, angels, devils, demons?

I know that in previous posts you have talked about prediction in a round and about way. Have they predicted anything in the near future? Maybe a better way to put that is have you maybe decoded anything from their words that you think could possibly happen?

What is my middle name? Just had to throw that one in there. I can only be serious for so many minutes a day until I have to have some comedic relief.

I know that you have said you are not a religious man, but have you considered these "personalities" could possible be evil in a way? You know they say that the devil's greatest accomplishment would be to make you believe he doesn't exist.

That is all for now. I'm sure I will think of others in the meantime.

Mike

Hi Mike,
Re: From the bits I have read, it appears that these beings, voices, personalities, not sure what to call them, are many in number to the point of being infinite.  Would you say that is an accurate description?  Anywhere and everywhere, from beginning to end, and all points in between?

Throughout most of my chats at the beginning I spoke to one ‘person’ although it sounded like there was a live audience as I would frequently hear laughs, cheers or applauding – I don’t imagine for a minute that they were all actually sitting in a theatre but that was what it felt and sounded like to me but for all I know ‘they’ were all just a sound effect there to help me - and they did help at times – sometimes their reaction would confirm that I was thinking along the right track or whether I was off the mark, and they did also make it fun and less heavy for me and they were also really funny at times, especially when they all did the same thing at the same time.  It’s hard to explain what I mean by that exactly but here are a couple extracts from my story which may give some idea what I mean:

I had to stop mid-sentence because I suddenly burst out laughing,

“What are you laughing about?”
“What I just said there reminded me of one of my favourite jokes.  I don’t normally laugh at my own jokes but that one just hit me out of the blue.”
“We know the one you mean but after a big build up like that I think you better tell the whole joke to everyone else here”
“OK, a polar bear walks into a bar and says ‘Can I have a brandy and……………………………………………………………………………coke please?’  The barman says ‘Why the big pause?’ and the polar bear held up his paws, looked at them and says ‘They help me balance’! ”

Ten thousand voices in the audience said ‘Heard it!’ in perfect unison!

“Ah **** you lot!”

I stuck my tongue out at them mockingly…
Ten thousand voices all said ‘We laughed the first time we heard you tell it.’

I burst out laughing.  I just found it amazingly funny when that many voices all said the exact same thing at the exact same time.
(And from another part of the chats when I was talking about cheating/match fixing and stuff…)
“…I wonder how long it will take until someone gets caught bribing players on both teams to make sure it’s a draw so they can squeeze at least another thirty minutes worth of prime time advertising in!”
The crowd’s applause grew louder,
“Call me a cynical b*****d if you want but I know what some of these ******* down here are like and I wouldn’t put anything past them!”
Ten thousand voices shouted out in unison ‘You’re a cynical b*****d but we know what you mean!’
They completely cracked me up once again!

Although I say ‘ten thousand voices’ in those extracts I just mean ‘lots and lots’ – Sometimes when ‘the voice’ was talking to me it would refer to itself as ‘we’ and at other times it would say ‘I’ or ‘me’ so I really couldn’t put a specific number on how many of ‘them’ there were – It could be anywhere from one to an infinite number.

Regarding:  ‘Are these personalities gender specific? Odd question I know, but it just popped into my head.’
Actually that’s a good question as many people may assume they were male because they used Billy Connolly’s voice but I never made any such assumption.  To be honest I have no idea whether they are male/female/asexual/androgynous or something else – it didn’t really seem important enough to ask and they never offered the information.

Regarding: Are we talking aliens here, celestial beings, angels, devils, demons?
I prefer to just tell my story and leave it for others to decide for themselves who or what they think I was talking to (I’ve explained why in earlier posts which I guesss you haven’t reached yet)


Regarding: I know that in previous posts you have talked about prediction in a round and about way. Have they predicted anything in the near future? Maybe a better way to put that is have you maybe decoded anything from their words that you think could possibly happen?
Your second way is definitely a better way to put it as I don’t really ‘predict’ things (as I have said from my very first post I don’t claim to have any kind of psychic abilities).  Again I have answered that question in an earlier post and there is only the one specific thing mentioned in that post that hasn’t happened yet that I can think of at this time however it could be that I could see or hear something tomorrow that will remind me of something else they said and help me to work out more clues  - for example it was only when I heard there was a Hurricane called Katrina that I was able to work out that it was heading for New Orleans (Because at one point they had specifically told me to remember the name ‘Katrina and the Waves).  Actually, there was another point in the chats when I mentioned the name of the condominium I lived in in Kuala Lumpur and they told me to remember that name as it would be significant – The name of the condo was ‘The Casscadium’ – It has never been significant so far although I did feel alarm bells going off some years ago when I discovered that there were a group of geological fault lines off the Oregon/Washington coast called ‘The Casscadia faults’ (Casscadia being the plural of Casscadium).  I do expect something major to happen there in the relatively near future but so far I have no idea when (This is the first time I have written about this because predicting that there will be a major quake on the Casscadia Fault lines at some point in the future isn’t really a prediction, it is a certainty unless I can put some kind of time frame on it but just last week I happen to see a program where the Casscadia Fault lines were mentioned – That brought my friends ‘warning’ back to my mind and I wondered whether it was meant as some kind of hint so I guess by putting this in writing here I am inviting my friends to send me a more specific hint about the time line we are talking about here)

Regarding:  ‘What is my middle name? Just had to throw that one in there.’
I have no idea!  Like I said already I don’t claim to have any psychic abilities and you never actually cropped up in any of my chats with my friends :P

Regarding: ‘I know that you have said you are not a religious man, but have you considered these "personalities" could possibly be evil in a way? You know they say that the devil's greatest accomplishment would be to make you believe he doesn't exist’
I don’t believe in ‘the devil’ (and neither do my friends) and the only evil I have ever seen on this planet was done by humans acting on their own free will.  I have seen what my friends can do with time and with gravity, I have seen how completely they can control EVERYTHING around me no matter where in the world I have been – If my friends had evil intentions we wouldn’t stand a chance.  If they wanted to **** with us they could do it in the blink of an eye and do it in ways that people just couldn’t imagine (and they could even do it ‘yesterday’ if they wanted to!)

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Posted 20 September 2013 - 07:58 PM

I've been following this thread for a while, and this is my first post on UM. :yes:

I understand you've been gradually presented with a higher understanding of what is going on in this life/world/game. Have these friends made you aware of anyone else that has been presented with this same gift of understanding?


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Posted 20 September 2013 - 08:54 PM

Hey welcome to UM :yes:

I'm enjoying the hell out of this thread!! Keep it up scots_nomad!!


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Posted 21 September 2013 - 03:00 PM

View Postkirbystone, on 20 September 2013 - 07:58 PM, said:

I've been following this thread for a while, and this is my first post on UM. :yes:

I understand you've been gradually presented with a higher understanding of what is going on in this life/world/game. Have these friends made you aware of anyone else that has been presented with this same gift of understanding?

Hi Kirby and welcome.  In one of my earlier posts I discussed (with some qualifications) a couple of people who may have received at least some of this understanding but generally my friends attitude was that what chats they may have with other people was none of my business, and that was fine by me, although at one point they did ask me to pass on the message 'Hi John and sorry for all the confusion' to John Nash (The guy played by Russel Crowe in the movie 'A Beautiful Mind') if I ever got the chance but he is the only living person I can think of that they confirmed having any kind of 'advanced' interaction with.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 03:25 PM

View PostHeathenRoyalty, on 20 September 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

Hey welcome to UM :yes:

I'm enjoying the hell out of this thread!! Keep it up scots_nomad!!

Hi Heathen, glad you are enjoying it  :yes:

Actually I am running out of bits of the story that I can tell in isolation in individual posts but there are a couple of things I mentioned in earlier posts that I wanted to double back to and explain in a bit more detail so here is one of them:

In an earlier post I mentioned that my friends had showed me a BBC news broadcast ‘from the future’ (They showed me it in June/early July 2004 and I later saw the same program on Easter Monday 2005 but at the time I was watching it I had no idea how far in the future it was meant to be).  In my earlier post I mentioned that there were four main stories on that broadcast and my friends and I ended up having long chats about all of them both as the show was going on (which was quite distracting to me as I wanted to focus on my TV) and after it.   The four main stories were (in this order) A story about an earthquake in Indonesia thathad triggered panic due to a tsunami alert but which hadn’t actually caused a tsunami; a story about developments in the Michael Jackson trial (Jackson had only recently been charged at the time of my chats and I had no idea how long it would have taken for the case to actually get to court, but the court case was in progress on that news item); a story about the then pope (John Paul II being taken into hospital); and a story about Terri Schievo, a Florida woman in a persistent vegetative state at the centre of a legal battle between her husband (who felt that her life support should be turned off) and her parents who wanted to keep her alive regardless of her condition).  Previously I only discussed what we chatted about as I watched the story about the earthquake but this was the chat we had about the Michael Jackson case:
(NB:  This is an extract from an email I sent to my mate in Glasgow so there may be some strong words or expressions you aren’t familiar with but I don’t think it should be a problem):
They asked me if I wanted to know whether MJ was REALLY guilty or innocent.  I thought about it for a few seconds, but I couldn't make up my mind whether I wanted to know or not.  Would it just have p***ed me off if I thought that another celebrity had gotten away with murder (or the equivalent, to my mind) just because he had enough money to spend on the best defence team money can buy?  I couldn't decide, so I asked
"Do you want me to know?"
"Actually, we want you to tell us because we don't know how to answer that question"
"I thought you knew everything?"
"We know exactly what happened, and we know what we think, but we are not sure what a human would think so we would like you to look at the evidence and see what you think"
"But that will take forever!  I would guess that the trial will drag on for months, like O.J. Simpson's, and I can be bothered sitting through all that"
"It will only take a few minutes.  We have already got rid of all the irrelevant stuff - we just want you to look at a few of the key bits of testimony from three of the witnesses"
"Yeah, but who are you to decide for me what is and what is not relevant?  If my opinion is going to be worth something then I need to know I have all of the evidence.  Maybe you see something as irrelevant but I would see it as significant"
"We understand all that, but try to take our word for it that none of the other stuff was in any way relevant to the REAL issue.  We accept your qualification, but your opinion on this would be really important to us"
"OK, I'll look, but I am not really comfortable with this - I don't like voicing opinions on hearsay, which is all that all of this is to me so far"
"OK.  That's exactly what we wanted you to say.  Watch this..."

They started by showing me some of the evidence given to the court by the accuser - the young boy who was allegedly assaulted when he stayed at 'Neverland’.  I didn't pay too much attention to 'EXACTLY' what he said - he was obviously going to say MJ did bad things to him.  I did listen to his words to search for 'inconsistencies’ but I was paying far more attention to what the boy did, than what he said.  I was looking for signs that he had been coached on his testimony by his mother - who was also in the courtroom at the time.  I don't even know if that is possible in US courts, as in the UK I believe that any witnesses are kept 'unpolluted' other witnesses are testifying, however all I can say is she was there in the shots I saw.  I know that, because I was particularly looking out for any glances he made to his mother or other potential coach, before or during his testimony.

I looked very hard and watched very closely for any such glances but I didn't catch one.  That was 'enough' for me to make up my mind on whether I thought he was being honest or whether he was lying to the court.  HE WAS LYING!

I may seem to have 'lost the plot' by coming to that conclusion, after all, wasn't I looking for those glances to 'prove' he was being coached?  I was, however I would only have jumped to that conclusion if I had seen an excessive number of glances or if I saw glances at key times in the testimony, but I saw not one single glance.  For a boy that age, in that situation, THAT is totally unnatural behavior UNLESS, you have been coached NOT to look at your mother under any circumstances.  I only watched a few minutes of testimony but if I was on the jury I would not have believed a word of it.  Or as I put it too my mates:

"He is a lying wee ****e!  I wouldn't accept a word he had to say about anything!"
"Yes.  You are right, so now we want you to hear what his mother had to say"
"Who cares what she has to say?  She wasn't there, and that wee ****e is obviously lying.  It looks like she is probably in on it for the cash, but even if she is just trusting her kid's word, who cares what she has to say?  You can't put anyone down on that evidence"
"But we would still like you to listen to what she has to say"
"Why???"
"Maybe you will understand why if you just watch the TV"
"OK.  Let's go"

The showed me the mother talking - Looking back now, I can't remember whether she was giving evidence to the court from the witness stand or whether she was giving a statement to the cops or giving an interview to the press.  I think it may actually be the latter but I can't say for sure now - that may sound strange as well however at the time it really didn't matter to me what she had to say so it mattered even less to me where she was saying it.  I may not have paid much attention to the location but I listened to her version of events.

"She's a ****ing liar too!  Her dates don't even stand up!  Their all over the place - at one point she said she started worrying about MJ at one time, but then she says that she was still sending her son to stay there overnight months later.  She is a liar, and she is not even good at it!"
"Yeah, we thought that too, so now we want you to look at the final bit of evidence"
"What for???  If we agree that they were both lying through their teeth, what's the point?  Nothing anybody else has to say is relevant to me unless they were there"
"But this person was there at the time"
"You mean MJ himself?"
"No, not him, someone else"
"Was there someone else there at the time???"
"Not at the time, but this person was there another time"
"Awww wait!  If you are going to pull out another witness who says he was raped then that should be another case altogether.  That should have nothing to do with this one'
"But couldn't it be evidence of character?"
"I am not saying it should be ignored.  If they have evidence that he tampered with any other wee boys then try him for that!  There would be no point in polluting that case by linking it to this pile of ****e"
"Maybe you should listen and tell us what you think.  This is the guy who accused MJ years ago and then settled it all out of court"
"Awww ****!  That complicates things, but if that boy and his family had anything for a court to hear then they should have said it at the time rather than taking cash to keep quiet.  I would hate to think that anyone could buy their way out of a situation like that, but I would also find it obnoxious if someone settled out of court and took money to keep quiet and then came out and said it anyway!"
"Do you understand why we could not tell you whether he is innocent or guilty?"
"A bit, but not really.  I still don't see how anything he said could be held as proof in the case against with the other boy, and I don't even understand how he could be allowed to testify if he had already accepted payment to keep quiet"
"Maybe you should watch"

I watched, and saw a 'grown up guy' (late teens maybe early twenties), telling through tears how he had woken up in bed with MJ one night and 'caught' MJ playing with his dick (i.e. the boy's).  I listened to what he said, and I watched how he said it.

"He's telling the truth!"
"Are you sure?"
"You are the ones who keep saying that I should trust my hunches because I really can tell when someone is lying, so if you are right, then he is telling the truth"
"You are right.  Every word he said is true!  So, based on those clips, is Michael Jackson innocent or guilty?"
"I don't see how he could be found guilty of the charges he is facing now, but maybe they could lead to the other case being re-opened, and maybe he would be found guilty of that.  Maybe he should not be found guilty in this case, but to be honest, I don't give a ****!  I know I shouldn't let one case influence another, and if I was in court I would try not to, but if you really do know everything, and you are saying that he is a child molester, then **** him!  I got better things to think about!"
"But we are not saying that he is a child molester"
"Eh?"
"You haven't heard everything yet"
"But you said there were only three clips"
"There are, but there are also some other things we want you to think about"
"What?"
"What if MJ didn't know what he was doing?"
"You mean if he was drunk or on drugs, or something like that?"
"Maybe something like that"
"****.  That's no excuse!  If he is going to get so p***ed or so stoned around children that he can't remember doing stuff like that then ****'im! "

I thought for a bit, then continued...

"Maybe if it had only happened once, and he had learned a lesson from the first case, then there could be some kind of mitigation there.  I would need to hear more about it, but even if that was the case in the first case, then the stupid b****rd should have learned his lesson and stopped having kids over for sleep-overs"
"Do you understand the sleep overs?"
"How can I answer that?  I know it is not normal but he is not normal and his life has never been normal.  Maybe I can understand it a bit - maybe kids are the only people that don't just kiss his **** and tell him anything he wants to hear just so they can get their hands on his money.  I can see that maybe he only really trusts kids."
"Anything else?"
"I can also understand if he is just trying to share what he has got with some kids who could never dream of stuff like that.  I don't want to give the wrong idea, but there used to be a couple of kids around here that we would let come into the garden to play in the pool sometimes as long as some of our female Vietnamese friends were there.  It started one time after we had had a party at the house for all the Viet people we work with and we had loads of food and balloons and stuff.  We didn't want to just throw it away, so we gave it to some kids in the street.  A couple of them – a young boy and his sister who live somewhere around the back of my house - even came in to join the party for a while and have some ice cream.  After that, we couldn't get rid of them!  They kept coming around and ringing the doorbell so that we would give them sweets or money"
"Did you let them in the garden again?"
"Only if any of our Viet friends were there.  I said to Richard at the time that we had to be careful how things would look to others."
"So what happened?"
"One night I came home from the pub about two in the morning and found the wee guy, who was about three or four years old, standing outside my gate hoping to get some money, and I thought 'NO WAY!  This has gone to far!'  I thought he was alone and I was going to send him home with nothing but then I noticed his mother hiding in the bushes across the street, coaching her kid to put his hands out to ask for money"
"So what did you say to her?"
"I said 'You!  Get that ****ing kid home to his bed now and stop being such a selfish, lazy, stupid b*tch!"
"Did she understand what you said?"
"I don’t think she speaks English but I think she got the message!  The kids stopped pestering us for money after that!"
"So you can understand the sleepovers a bit?"
"Maybe a bit.  I would never have had those kids in the house alone, never mind letting them stay, but unlike most people, I don't automatically assume that that is proof that Jackson is a child molester"
"What if we told you that MJ really doesn't remember anything - he really believe that the young boy is telling vicious lies about him, and he can't get his head around that because he always thought they were really close friends - but it has nothing to do with drink or drugs?"
"What do you mean?"
"What could we mean?"
"I dunno. What could you mean?"
"Haven't you ever done anything like that?"
"NO I ****ING HAVEN'T!!!!"
"We don't mean with kids but have you never gone to bed with no intention of doing anything other than sleep and then woken up to find that you have committed a crime that you can't even remember?"
"Ohhh!  I see what you mean!  You mean sleep walking!"
"Do we?"
"Well, you probably actually mean 'sleep-driving'!  On the night of my mate Danny's twenty first, I drove my car to his place and then we all went out for a drink.  A few of us stayed at his parent’s house that night, but when I woke up in the morning I was in my own bed and my car was outside my door"
"Was that strange?"
"Yeah, real strange.  I've done some other strange things while I have been sleep-walking, but that night I somehow found a backdoor in Danny's place that I didn't even know existed - it was in the kitchen, and I left it open to the wall, but I had never been in the kitchen before then! The door apparently took me into the back yard, although I don't remember any of it, then I climbed over the ten foot wall that surrounds the back yard, found my car and drove home, and I did all that without waking up!"
"Do you think that you committed a crime?"
"It gave me a real fright, coz if I had been caught I would have been over the limit and no one would probably have believed I was sleep=driving so I would have lost my license, but I would definitely have felt hard done by, coz I don't think I committed a crime that night"

Then my friends asked,

"So who do you think is more guilty, someone who does something in his sleep that he would never dream of doing while he is a wake, or someone who does the very same thing while he is awake, but is still able to sleep at night?"
"Who do you mean now?"
"Who do you think we mean?"

I didn’t have a clue what they were talking about however I did notice that the ‘future news broadcast’ that I had been watching and which had triggered our chat about MJ had now moved on to another story about Pope John Pal II being taken into hospital in Italy.

"****!!!!  Are you talking about the pope now???"  
"Do you think that could be what we are saying?"
"**** knows, but if you got something to say about him then you better say it"
"What is your favourite pope joke?"
"This is no joke!  I am serious!"
"So are we!  What is your favourite joke"

I thought for a while,

(NB: By this point in the chats my friends had convinced me that they knew every joke in my mind, so rather than going through the whole joke I would only have to say the punchline for them to know what I mean, but I guess to make sense of this bit of story I will have to write it out as briefly as I can make it so here goes:

The pope gets seriously ill and no one knows what it is until one specialist says ‘Ahh this is very rare because it is a disease that can only be caught by old men who are still virgins.  If left untreated it will kill the pope but the cure is very simple – all the pope has to do is have sex’
The pope calls a meeting with all his cardinals to discuss what he should do because on one hand it is wrong for him to have sex but if he doesn’t then that would be like commiting suicide.  Most of the cardinals decide that suicide would be far worse so they insist that the pope should have sex with someone.  He thinks about it for a while and then says ‘OK I’ll do it, but only under these conditions:
‘Firstly the girl must be blind and must not be told that it is the pope who is having sex with her!’  The cardinals all agree that is a good idea and ask what the next condition is,
‘Secondly she must be deaf, just in case she happens to recognise my voice and works out who it is’.  Again the cardinals agree that is a good idea and as what the next condition is,
‘Thirdly she must be mute, in case she somehow does work out who I am I don’t want her to be able to tell anyone else about it’.  The Cardinals all agree once again that that is a great thinking then they ask ‘And are there any more codintions?’.  The pope replies,
‘Yes just one more condition……*spam filter*!’)

So, to get back to the story, when my friends asked what my favourite pope joke was I replied,

"The one with the punch line '*spam filter*! Why?"
"Do you think that could be true?"
"No, it’s obviously just a joke"
"Is it?  Could there be some truth to it?"
"Are you saying that the pope really does like shagging women with *spam filter*?"
"No, what else could we be saying?  Maybe metaphorically?"
"Do you mean specifically handicapped people?"
"Maybe we just mean people who are not able to protect themselves fully"
"You mean kids then!!!  Are you telling me that the pope has been messing with kids??????"
"Is the person who knows it goes on but doesn't do anything to stop it and then helps hide the evidence after the fact any less guilty than the ones who actually carry out the crime?"
"Well, strictly speaking he would be slightly less guilty in the eyes of the law, but I see what you mean"
"But what if that person was the pope!  Shouldn't that count for something?"
"Oh!  I really do see what you mean now!!!!   ****ing hell !!!!!!"

Well this is a long post so I will have to break the story there although there was quite a ‘significant’ bit of that conversation to follow.  I realise that the contents of this post may seem very controversial and perhaps some Catholics reading this may take some offense as I am from a Catholic family and went to Catholic schools so I am well aware of how highly regarded the last pope was, but all I can say is ‘don’t shoot the messenger’ – I’m not out to offend anyone of any faith but my friends did have a lot of controversial things to say about a lot of things and I can’t start picking and choosing which ones to censor.  Maybe the second part of this bit of our conversation will appease JPII fans a bit, but that will have to wait until later.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 09:33 PM

Are you talking about Pope Benedict or Francis I?  Benedict always gave me the creeps.  Just looking at him makes my flesh crawl.

What your friends meant about MJ was that he was so mentally ill that he literally lived in a fantasy land where nothing he did was wrong and he simply stuffed any memories of wrongdoing he did so that his fantasy jibed with his "reality".  MJ was probably one of the most deeply mentally ill celebrities ever.  It's obvious when people are deranged.  The signs are all there for you to see.  The only reason you cannot see them is if you are blinded by cordiality or political correctness.

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 10:06 PM

View PostSSilhouette, on 21 September 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Are you talking about Pope Benedict or Francis I?  Benedict always gave me the creeps.  Just looking at him makes my flesh crawl.


Ya mean pope dracula? :w00t:

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:28 PM

View PostSSilhouette, on 21 September 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

Are you talking about Pope Benedict or Francis I?  Benedict always gave me the creeps.  Just looking at him makes my flesh crawl.

What your friends meant about MJ was that he was so mentally ill that he literally lived in a fantasy land where nothing he did was wrong and he simply stuffed any memories of wrongdoing he did so that his fantasy jibed with his "reality".  MJ was probably one of the most deeply mentally ill celebrities ever.  It's obvious when people are deranged.  The signs are all there for you to see.  The only reason you cannot see them is if you are blinded by cordiality or political correctness.

It was Pope John Paul II they were talking about as this was back in 2004 (Benedict/pope Dracula did come up in the next bit of the post I was going to make but that will need to wait until tomorrow)

It was nothing to do with 'mental illness' - Sure Jackson was weird but his whole life had weird since he was a small kid so illness or not he probably had no idea what 'normal' was.  What they actually showed/told me was that the case that went to court was a total fabrication by the kid and his mother (and he was a way better liar than she was) but the guy who testified who had previously settled out of court with jackson years earlier was telling the truth about what happened to him, although Jackson had no idea about it coz he was doing it in his sleep (and anyone who doesnt think that is possible has obviously never sleep walked - Like I said in the post I have even driven my car while sleep walking as well as a load of other weird stuff - One time when staying at a mates house I got up in the middle of the night and 'collected' all of the nozzles from every aerosol or perfume/aftershave bottle in their bathroom...I woke up in the morning clutching about 15-20 plastic nozzles in my hand so tightly that some had dug into the skin of my hand although I have no memory of collecting them at all.  On another occassion (when staying at The Casscadium Condo in KL that I mentioned in my last post) I woke up about 5am one morning sitting on the end of the condo's divingboard with my feet in the water of the swimmingpool wearing only my underpants! ;-O (Luckily I had left my apartment door wide open or I could have been locked out like that!) and on yet another occasion I rearranged.the furniture of my hotel suite in Abu Dhabi so much that when I woke up in the morning I had no idea where I was coz the place looked so different! (You can do some real weird **** when sleep walking)

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:35 PM

how in 7 kinds of hell are you able to globe hop like this?

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 11:57 PM

View PostSkepticalB, on 21 September 2013 - 11:35 PM, said:

how in 7 kinds of hell are you able to globe hop like this?

Spent 16 years overseas building power stations

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