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#16    DeWitz

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:35 PM

Logically speaking, when I was born I "came here to die" (although I had no choice in the matter).

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:06 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 25 June 2013 - 07:52 PM, said:




Have You Come Here to Die?
That was not my intentions when I joined this forum.

Those who welcomed me when I came here still have a special place in my heart. It's amazing what a positive effect it has for new members to greet them when they say hello in there nervous first posts  as they  try introduce themselves, I'd encourage members to do this as you earn yourself a friend strate away and do the forum community a great service,these members I would think tend to stay longer and make more effort, this benefits all.

Others have earnt my deep respect by reading there posts and contributing on topics in the most unexpected ways, its amazing the information some are willing to share, and how two people , or two groups of thought with completely opposing views can gain great respect for one other with just simple acts of friendship.

However, For me I can never be but a passing cloud amongst you.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:43 PM

View PostIrrelevant, on 26 June 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Those who welcomed me when I came here still have a special place in my heart. It's amazing what a positive effect it has for new members to greet them when they say hello in there nervous first posts  as they  try introduce themselves, I'd encourage members to do this as you earn yourself a friend strate away and do the forum community a great service,these members I would think tend to stay longer and make more effort, this benefits all.

Others have earnt my deep respect by reading there posts and contributing on topics in the most unexpected ways, its amazing the information some are willing to share, and how two people , or two groups of thought with completely opposing views can gain great respect for one other with just simple acts of friendship.

However, For me I can never be but a passing cloud amongst you.

I think we're all passing clouds. Which is better than passing gas. Sorry, my evil twin mad me type that. The gas part, that is. But life is ephemeral, so live it up!


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 02:02 PM

View PostRedHouseHendrix, on 26 June 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:

Beany,
   In Buddhism we do not try to dehumanize people, we have compassion and understanding for them even if they want to do us harm.  Metta meditation (loving kindness to all beings) is without question one of the foundations of Buddhism.  The Buddha placed this practice on par with that of mindfullness, when you consider how often he spoke of that practice you realize just how important metta is to this religion.  Being a westerner myself (born and bred) I think it is self evident that the vast majority of people in the west are extremely materialistic and that tends to make one push the thought of one's death to very back of one's mind.   I am stating what I believe to be a fact, I feel sorry for them, I certainly do not have any ill-will towards them.  I do at times have thoughts of ill-will but I've got a long ways to go before I reach the ultimate goal.

I wasn't accusing Buddhism of demeaning people. But I often read comments about "them", them being cast or portrayed in negative ways, that's what I was addressing. No, I don't think people in the west are motivated solely by materialism; I think emphasis on materialism is a symptom of something that runs deeper. Fear maybe, feeling unloved or unworthy, ignorance of a different way of being, there's all kinds of reasons. Not that I believe most Westerners are materialistic. I ask myself, who are those people? My friends? My neighbors? My family? My co-workers? Sure, every now & then I run into someone who seems to be shallow and all about acquisition, but perhaps it's my failure to be willing to take the time to look deeper, to look beyond the facade, to find the commonalities. So I wonder what would change if we re-labeled those materialistic people as being instead, afraid. They might not change, but certainly we would. But when you claim most people are materialistic, you are de-humanizing them because you're identifying, organizing, and perceiving solely by that one negative factor, with little evidence of compassion or understanding.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 04:13 PM

View PostIrrelevant, on 26 June 2013 - 01:06 PM, said:

Those who welcomed me when I came here still have a special place in my heart. It's amazing what a positive effect it has for new members to greet them when they say hello in there nervous first posts  as they  try introduce themselves, I'd encourage members to do this as you earn yourself a friend strate away and do the forum community a great service,these members I would think tend to stay longer and make more effort, this benefits all.

Others have earnt my deep respect by reading there posts and contributing on topics in the most unexpected ways, its amazing the information some are willing to share, and how two people , or two groups of thought with completely opposing views can gain great respect for one other with just simple acts of friendship.

However, For me I can never be but a passing cloud amongst you.
Thats a really nice post, somehow has touched me some what.
We are all passing clouds, some with the sun behind us, some rain clouds and some thunder, thats what makes these forums interesting, you always have a mix of each.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 04:19 PM

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It is all in the relative meanings of the words, die, live, I or others are all relative in relation. Dying is as much as the same as live and Living is as much the same as dying ... I is as much the same as others and Others is as much the same as I.

Everything is ONE and connected ... not WHAT is connected or WHAT is one ...

In every faith and belief there will come a time when the premise of death is equated with life ... to die so one is to live ... a contradiction to logic because it is designed to 'kill' logic, a paradox to unchained one's inner essence of awareness from the burden of 'programmed' logic.

All things nature / true is not conforming to logic ... Science is gradually becoming aware of this, Science has to reevaluate itself more than once in the recent decade to conform to what Scientific Logic has discovered about 'Reality'

But the barrier to Reality IS redundant Logic ... as Logic cannot approach Reality without logical paths ... and there are no paths of Logic to Reality.
The only reality that logic can present is the reality that logic 'creates' The world that we find ourselves trapped in, which is just a different reflection of the paradox.
In order for this 'logically conspired reality' to advance it has been suggested that it has to kill the divinely inspired Reality, but that Reality cannot be killed because it is Life itself and Death itself. And this logically conspired reality is but an attachment which logic created to manifest itself so that we can hold onto to for awhile.

In a relative sense this 'awhile' has been chained to our 'logic' to perpetuate itself in the belief that if it is non existent ... we too are non existent.
It is in this way that this logic fools us into believing that it becomes reality and that we are merely shadows in its reality where in TRUTH it is it that is the shadow and we are the TRUE reality.

To break free from this untruth is the paradox ... hence to die so that we may truly live. It is not unique to Buddhism. Seek and you will see that ALL religions in its purity and essence says it.

But in order to understand this Dying ... you must first understand Living.

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Words, as is well known, are great foes of reality.  ~ Joseph Conrad

As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.  ~ Albert Einstein


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 04:28 PM

We are all part of the willow tree of life, all joined to the same trunk, but so many different branches, new leaves come, old leaves go, but the willow tree is always there.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 05:29 PM

I think I'm one of the oldest members here, 69, so all things being equal, I'm probably going to drop dead before you other members. This pleases me in a way, as death is a kind of revenge I will have for all the stupidities of life I've had to put up with. When I'm gone, life will look around for me, but I won't be there to be kicked around anymore. ha ha

I'm sort of serious about this.

The thinking mind can't get its head around its own death no matter how hard it tries. This is why thought invents all kinds of gods and heavens. There's a story in my blog (The Heavens) about technological heavens that the great Corporations had invented. One's mind is uploaded into a computer heaven of your choice. Maybe not a bad idea.

When I die I hope my mind is silent and empty, so that I won't regret leaving anything behind. I think this is the Buddha's way.

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A mind untouched by thought...the end of knowledge.
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Posted 26 June 2013 - 06:28 PM

View PostStarMountainKid, on 26 June 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

I think I'm one of the oldest members here, 69, so all things being equal, I'm probably going to drop dead before you other members. This pleases me in a way, as death is a kind of revenge I will have for all the stupidities of life I've had to put up with. When I'm gone, life will look around for me, but I won't be there to be kicked around anymore. ha ha

I'm sort of serious about this.

The thinking mind can't get its head around its own death no matter how hard it tries. This is why thought invents all kinds of gods and heavens. There's a story in my blog (The Heavens) about technological heavens that the great Corporations had invented. One's mind is uploaded into a computer heaven of your choice. Maybe not a bad idea.

When I die I hope my mind is silent and empty, so that I won't regret leaving anything behind. I think this is the Buddha's way.

u r confusing different points which is normal, as u also admit it, u cant see in negative facts

u think being as guilty in life as everything there, but that has nothing to do with facts

dead is nothing, everyone sleeps everyday, when u sleep without dreaming how r u thinking of anything to remember or forget

we think our realities bc we have to b inn every second, when we stop being then we are none

the belief that u r a will is a lie, any is according to its obligation to b

that subjective dimension is like a camouflage to justify gods powers over others abuse, which is not subjective at all, they invent pleasures according to what they can do with us or others things


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 06:39 PM

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 07:25 PM

REDhouseHENdrix ........ REDHEN?!! What's that all about then?

This ..... this is your life as it passed before other people's eyes.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 07:55 PM

libstak,
  The man who gave this talk "Have you come here to die" is abbot of a Buddhist monastery in Australia.  He is originally from London and graduated from Cambridge with a degree in Physics and had a bright future ahead of him but decided to become a Buddhist monk (which I think is a very wise choice).  He gives many great talks, many which are posted on utube.  You should visit his monastery if you get a chance and have a talk with him....I believe he is in Perth.  Good luck with everything and thank you for the reply.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 07:57 PM

Ouija,
  Yeah that is kinda weird huh...lol


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 08:48 PM

View PostRedHouseHendrix, on 26 June 2013 - 07:57 PM, said:

Ouija,
  Yeah that is kinda weird huh...lol

I think you're one and the same person ..........

This ..... this is your life as it passed before other people's eyes.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 08:55 PM

"You're born, you die and everything in the middle is life." Dave Lister.

Face first laughing on the keyboard while typing some smart a** remark on UM.    A good way to die.

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