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Posted 25 June 2013 - 10:30 PM

The full title wouldn't fit, but it is actually titled:

What Happened to the Mysterious Humans of the  Sahara 7,000 Years Ago?


Today, the desert is vast and forbidding. But a few brave archaeologists who traveled deep into the western reaches of the area over the past hundred years have discovered something incredible. There are enormous murals of paleolithic rock art stretching back at least 10,000 years, depicting everything from animals to the clothing people wore during village ceremonies.

Often the people in these paintings are drawn with very round heads, a characteristic Saharan style. Paintings that share this style probably come from peoples with similar cultural origins. As the centuries passed, the paintings become more sophisticated and we see images that show bronze age tools, people riding horses, and using clay pots. The question is, what happened to these people? How did they live in such arid conditions? Where did they go?

http://io9.com/what-...ara-7-563577739


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:26 AM

Very interesting seeder.   

This site has some good info on the timeline.  More rock art too!  

http://www.calacadem...twork.htm       Attached File  011.jpg   75.84K   1 downloads

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:35 AM

great topic seeder, isnt the ancient human race amazing! they pathed the way for us! we only owe it to them to learn of their ways, beutiful artists they were indeed, makes you wonder how fresh and extravagant life was back then when the world was such a curiousity

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:00 AM

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great topic seeder, isnt the ancient human race amazing! they pathed the way for us! we only owe it to them to learn of their ways, beutiful artists they were indeed, makes you wonder how fresh and extravagant life was back then when the world was such a curiousity

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:01 AM

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:tu: Cheers!!   I will reply more later, just off to bed now, 2 am in UK!!
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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:15 AM

View Postkannin, on 26 June 2013 - 12:35 AM, said:

great topic seeder, isnt the ancient human race amazing! they pathed the way for us!
Because, obviously, paving wasn't invented yet.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:31 AM

View Postseeder, on 25 June 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

The full title wouldn't fit, but it is actually titled:

What Happened to the Mysterious Humans of the  Sahara 7,000 Years Ago?


Today, the desert is vast and forbidding. But a few brave archaeologists who traveled deep into the western reaches of the area over the past hundred years have discovered something incredible. There are enormous murals of paleolithic rock art stretching back at least 10,000 years, depicting everything from animals to the clothing people wore during village ceremonies.

Often the people in these paintings are drawn with very round heads, a characteristic Saharan style. Paintings that share this style probably come from peoples with similar cultural origins. As the centuries passed, the paintings become more sophisticated and we see images that show bronze age tools, people riding horses, and using clay pots. The question is, what happened to these people? How did they live in such arid conditions? Where did they go?

http://io9.com/what-...ara-7-563577739


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The Sahara wasn't always a desert. In fact, between c.8500 BC and 3500 BC much of North Africa was either steppe or savannah, with some areas being wetter than they are now up to c.2500 BC. After that the desert completed its encroachment on the the once greener Sahara.

http://www.uni-koeln...ugust 2006).pdf

http://www.pnas.org/...771106.full.pdf

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:57 AM

What happened to them?

Some of them are still there, but most of them got thirsty and moved to a more thirst-quenching locale, don't you suppose?

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:23 AM

You learn something new every day. Now the Sahara is in Central Africa.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 12:18 PM

it's the 26,000 year cycle or "Earth Wobble" which means the tropics drift up and down over this period of time. The Sahara will one day be a lush savannah again (at the expense of another region).

http://en.wikipedia....nkovitch_cycles

This is all to do with the natural cycle of the Earth's orbit around the sun but something that those that tax us like to call "climate change" which itself was an updated "buzzword" for "global warming" which was dropped once the powers that be realised that particular buzzword bulls**t would not stick much longer.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:01 PM

WelshRed's comment makes sense. With what we know of global climate change it is logical that environments have undergone significant, if not drastic, changes over the millennia. An alternative explanation is that these people were 'taken away' by von Daniken''s legendary ancient astronauts in their "Chariots of the Gods." Note the bulbous head on the larger figure in the left foreground, obvious representing some type of space helmet. . . . .

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:09 PM

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WelshRed's comment makes sense. With what we know of global climate change it is logical that environments have undergone significant, if not drastic, changes over the millennia. An alternative explanation is that these people were 'taken away' by von Daniken''s legendary ancient astronauts in their "Chariots of the Gods.

" Note the bulbous head on the larger figure in the left foreground, obvious representing some type of space helmet. . . . .

I dont think anythings obvious at all, the article did say and I quote:  "Often the people in these paintings are drawn with very round heads, a characteristic Saharan style"

But another clue is the "Tagelmust", or head dress used to keep the heat down on the head while protecting the eyes from sand etc, something still going on today

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 02:02 PM

View PostHarte, on 26 June 2013 - 01:57 AM, said:

What happened to them?

Some of them are still there, but most of them got thirsty and moved to a more thirst-quenching locale, don't you suppose?

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I think this is probably the most logical answer, along with Cormacs.  Some of the Saharan rock art shows cattle or deer type animals, something perhaps not found in desert landscapes

http://en.wikipedia....aharan_rock_art


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What they suggest (Kröpelin and his team), is that after a long arid period during the last ice age, the Sahara began to experience heavy monsoons starting about 8500 years BCE. The whole region became a grassy savannah, full of edible plants and animals, and people moved from the Nile valley deep into the eastern Sahara. As the monsoons grew milder, about 7000 BCE, people moved south too. But then, about 5300 BCE, the monsoons began to dry up. That's when people began to cluster back around the Nile again.

Rainfall zones are delimited by best estimate isohyets on the basis of geological, archaeozoological, and archaeobotanical data. (A) During the Last Glacial Maximum and the terminal Pleistocene (20,000 to 8500 BC), the Saharan desert was void of any settlement outside of the Nile valley and extended about 400 km farther south than it does today.

With the abrupt arrival of monsoon rains at 8500 BC, the hyper-arid desert was replaced by savannah-like environments and swiftly inhabited by prehistoric settlers. During the early Holocene humid optimum, the southern Sahara and the Nile valley apparently were too moist and hazardous for appreciable human occupation. © After 7000 BC, human settlement became well established all over the Eastern Sahara, fostering the development of cattle pastoralism. (D) Retreating monsoon rains caused the onset of desiccation of the Egyptian Sahara at 5300 BC Prehistoric populations were forced to the Nile valley or ecological refuges and forced to exodus into the Sudanese Sahara where rainfall and surface water were still sufficient. The return of full desert conditions all over Egypt at about 3500 BC coincided with the initial stages of pharaonic civilization in the Nile valley.


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Posted 26 June 2013 - 03:44 PM

View Postseeder, on 26 June 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

After 7000 BC, human settlement became well established all over the Eastern Sahara, fostering the development of cattle pastoralism. (D) Retreating monsoon rains caused the onset of desiccation of the Egyptian Sahara at 5300 BC Prehistoric populations were forced to the Nile valley or ecological refuges and forced to exodus into the Sudanese Sahara where rainfall and surface water were still sufficient.
While your reference is primarily about the Eastern Sahara, there was a culture that stretched across the entire Sahara, even up into modern times (as we know - Bedouin, Tuareg, etc.)

The portion of your post I quoted above might have left readers with the implication that everyone moved out of the desert.  Plus, I got some more rock art to show.
The following are from the Tassili Plateau in what is now Algeria:

Elephant (Archaic Period) 8,000 - 7,000 BP:
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Pastoral Period 6000 - 2200 BP:
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Horse Period 3200 - 1200 BP
Divided into subperiods Chariot and Camel:
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Here's a camel one:
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The chariot art is interesting in that it likely documents the introduction of the chariot to the region (Algeria, at least.)

I think it's a safe bet if not a lock that there are thousands more sites that remain undiscovered with similar rock art, all over the Sahara.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 03:57 PM

View PostHarte, on 26 June 2013 - 03:44 PM, said:



I think it's a safe bet if not a lock that there are thousands more sites that remain undiscovered with similar rock art, all over the Sahara.

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:tu:   We need a massive hurricane or 2 in the desert to blow lots of sand away! Just think whats buried,  ruins,  tombs maybe, entire villages, maybe treasure too. But we may never know sadly...like so many other things lost in the sands of time

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