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#121    kannin

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 07:13 PM

View Postszentgyorgy, on 28 June 2013 - 08:43 PM, said:

Oh, and, by the way, what language is "szentgyorgy?" I'm told Croatia has beautiful women beaches on the Dalmatia coast.

Sorry for not responding earlier.
I have no clue. I only recognize "orgy". :D

Yes Croatia have most beautiful women and beaches. Judge by yourself.

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Btw Im fan of Spanish civil war anrachy and all. Also Winter war.
Here is my recent post.

View Postthe L, on 23 June 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

Amazing.

I always have much respect for Finns because of their Sisu.
There are stories in history that they rided deers. During Winter war David almost won over Goliath. They invented wooden land mine to be hard to detect, they guerilla were amazing. Russian drug for treating injured was frozen yet Finnish find their way...they carried morphine in mouth under tounge...when Russian tanks were on icelakes they detonate mines and tanks simply felt under ice cold water...Russian in end have Phyric victory...loosing far more then Finns in victims of war.

Im quite sure that those people deserve different history.


Edited by the L, 29 June 2013 - 07:14 PM.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 07:22 PM

View Postthe L, on 29 June 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

Sorry for not responding earlier.
I have no clue. I only recognize "orgy". :D

Yes Croatia have most beautiful women and beaches. Judge by yourself.

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Btw Im fan of Spanish civil war anrachy and all. Also Winter war.
Here is my recent post.
Good post! And great phtos. Do you work for the Croatian Travel Bureau? 'Zsentgyorgy' is Hungarian (no beaches except on Lake Balaton). Good lookin' women, though. The Winter War and Spanish Civil War are both fascinating to me, and very different (especially Winter War) from USA's adventures. There are some US Civil War/Spanish Civil War similarities. Weirdly, I've been bored most of my life with our Civil War until recently. Actually, I fear we're creeping towards another one here in the US, so I'm trying to catch-up on the basis and reasons for the first one.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 11:37 AM

View Postszentgyorgy, on 29 June 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

Good post! And great phtos. Do you work for the Croatian Travel Bureau? 'Zsentgyorgy' is Hungarian (no beaches except on Lake Balaton). Good lookin' women, though. The Winter War and Spanish Civil War are both fascinating to me, and very different (especially Winter War) from USA's adventures. There are some US Civil War/Spanish Civil War similarities. Weirdly, I've been bored most of my life with our Civil War until recently. Actually, I fear we're creeping towards another one here in the US, so I'm trying to catch-up on the basis and reasons for the first one.
My own good posts are 110 and 118. Im not working in CTB. Neiher people who actually go there and get money for their "work." They spent millions and they only create one video spot per year. We have atleast 20 offical offices for tourism, its labirith...no one knows duties...nothing. It real mess. Sadly.  If nature didnt gave us what we have we would be dead by now.
Croatian economy has HUGE potential. But in our history we have two golden ages. One during 19 century under Austria and one during 1970s during Yugoslavia. Ofcourse I speak in term of economy.
Literature golden age have diffrent years. Military golden age another.
I think that economy was reason for US civil war and slavery was cause/excuse. In Spain things were different. Ideologies. Plus it was proxy war.
I think I know what would be reasons for new US civil war if that happened which I doubt.

Edited by the L, 30 June 2013 - 11:38 AM.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 11:57 AM

View Postthe L, on 30 June 2013 - 11:37 AM, said:

My own good posts are 110 and 118. Im not working in CTB. Neiher people who actually go there and get money for their "work." They spent millions and they only create one video spot per year. We have atleast 20 offical offices for tourism, its labirith...no one knows duties...nothing. It real mess. Sadly.  If nature didnt gave us what we have we would be dead by now.
Croatian economy has HUGE potential. But in our history we have two golden ages. One during 19 century under Austria and one during 1970s during Yugoslavia. Ofcourse I speak in term of economy.
Literature golden age have diffrent years. Military golden age another.
I think that economy was reason for US civil war and slavery was cause/excuse. In Spain things were different. Ideologies. Plus it was proxy war.
I think I know what would be reasons for new US civil war if that happened which I doubt.

Croatia is also an ancient country that has endured a variety of geo-political injuries and survived, yes? We in the US seem to "do it to ourselves," such as in our Civil War. Let's hope you're right about there not being another one in the works. But our country is more polarized than at any other time since 1861-65; the Viet Nam/anti-war era was tense and happened with the nuclear war threat more at the forefront. Our dividing issues are  domestic now, as they were back then with slavery/states' rights.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 08:24 PM

View Postszentgyorgy, on 30 June 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

Croatia is also an ancient country that has endured a variety of geo-political injuries and survived, yes? We in the US seem to "do it to ourselves," such as in our Civil War. Let's hope you're right about there not being another one in the works. But our country is more polarized than at any other time since 1861-65; the Viet Nam/anti-war era was tense and happened with the nuclear war threat more at the forefront. Our dividing issues are  domestic now, as they were back then with slavery/states' rights.

I actually agree. I almost think a war is inevitable; it reminds me a great deal of England in the 1620s and 1630s. The mindset of people is increasingly polarized, and more and more people seem to regard compromise as tantamount to admitting they and everything they believe is wrong, so there's no middle ground left to reach. Not even foreign wars were able to patch up the differences.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 09:34 PM

View Postthe L, on 29 June 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

Yes Croatia have most beautiful women and beaches. Judge by yourself.

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The "most beautiful women" are very tiny on that  very small beach. Do you have a bigger photo  ?  :D

(I spent some time in Yugoslavia back in the 70's when I was a teenager. It was extremely beautiful, and very cultural. I'd love to go back one day.  I also wish there was peace throughout the world so we could all go and safely visit so many of the stunning places we will never be able to go and see.)

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 02:39 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 26 June 2013 - 02:45 AM, said:

Attila the Hun better fit that time in history, but he is not my first choice. Spartan's timeline might be off, but his choice is good. Genghis Khan could have conquered both Asia and Europe had it not been for intervening fate. The Golden Horde was unstoppable. Their tactics and weapons were unmatched by the best military of the era. They conquered millions of people in a wide swath of countries. They were stopped by bodies of water, which was why Japan wasn't conquered, but they likely had captured experts who could have solved that problem. They used their prisoners for their benefit, some of whom were the best engineers at the time. The French and the Germans might have spoken Mongolian if Genghis Khan marched across western Europe. They would have faced a force with no real opposition that used the best military technology of the day. It was partly comprised of captured eastern Europeans, the ones that weren't killed, murdered, enslaved, etc.. The British Isles would have been Europe's last hope.

I apologize. The above quote seems like a mix of both Genghis and Kublai. That said, I think that Europe dodged a bullet. The Mongols were an unstoppable military machine.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 03:40 AM

How about Hitler? I def didnt agree with what he did. But looking at WHAT he did, how he convinced a NATION to follow his ways. To start a HItler Youth. He turned the minds of so many people, probably one of the if not best Orator there ever was.... (even Napoleon)

As far as conquerors (older)

'Timur the Lame' was born in modern day Uzbekistan, about 400 miles north of the city of Kabul. He had a slight paralysis down one side as a child, which meant his early career was in politics. Despite being illiterate, he was highly intelligent. He spoke at least three languages and invented a variant of chess. He rose quickly to become senior minister to the Mongol khan, then Tamerlane overthrew the khan and began a reign of warfare, slaughter and, yes, mountains of skulls. Tamerlane revered Genghis and claimed to be descended from his second son. He used the city of Samarkand as his base, which Genghis himself had conquered. From there, Tamerlane conquered Persia, Armenia, Georgia and part of Russia.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:28 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 01 July 2013 - 03:40 AM, said:

How about Hitler? I def didnt agree with what he did. But looking at WHAT he did, how he convinced a NATION to follow his ways. To start a HItler Youth. He turned the minds of so many people, probably one of the if not best Orator there ever was.... (even Napoleon)

As far as conquerors (older)

'Timur the Lame' was born in modern day Uzbekistan, about 400 miles north of the city of Kabul. He had a slight paralysis down one side as a child, which meant his early career was in politics. Despite being illiterate, he was highly intelligent. He spoke at least three languages and invented a variant of chess. He rose quickly to become senior minister to the Mongol khan, then Tamerlane overthrew the khan and began a reign of warfare, slaughter and, yes, mountains of skulls. Tamerlane revered Genghis and claimed to be descended from his second son. He used the city of Samarkand as his base, which Genghis himself had conquered. From there, Tamerlane conquered Persia, Armenia, Georgia and part of Russia.
i agree wrong ideas and ways to use his talent but he def had charisma to bad he was evil



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Posted 01 July 2013 - 02:29 PM

View Postszentgyorgy, on 30 June 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

Croatia is also an ancient country that has endured a variety of geo-political injuries and survived, yes?

Its turmoiled area. Illyrians, Greeks, Celts, Roman, Huns, Avars, Croats, Serbs, Franks, Byzant, Bulgars, Mongols, Hitler, Napoleon, Ottomans, Austria Hungary, Venetian republic...

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 02:30 PM

View PostMacroramphosis, on 30 June 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

The "most beautiful women" are very tiny on that  very small beach. Do you have a bigger photo  ?  :D

(I spent some time in Yugoslavia back in the 70's when I was a teenager. It was extremely beautiful, and very cultural. I'd love to go back one day.  I also wish there was peace throughout the world so we could all go and safely visit so many of the stunning places we will never be able to go and see.)

Its very safe. Yestrday we joined EU. And we are member of NATO years before.

I can upload some pictures of women but thread would be probably be closed.

Edited by the L, 01 July 2013 - 02:31 PM.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:19 PM

View PostLucidElement, on 01 July 2013 - 03:40 AM, said:

How about Hitler? I def didnt agree with what he did. But looking at WHAT he did, how he convinced a NATION to follow his ways. To start a HItler Youth. He turned the minds of so many people, probably one of the if not best Orator there ever was.... (even Napoleon)

As far as conquerors (older)

'Timur the Lame' was born in modern day Uzbekistan, about 400 miles north of the city of Kabul. He had a slight paralysis down one side as a child, which meant his early career was in politics. Despite being illiterate, he was highly intelligent. He spoke at least three languages and invented a variant of chess. He rose quickly to become senior minister to the Mongol khan, then Tamerlane overthrew the khan and began a reign of warfare, slaughter and, yes, mountains of skulls. Tamerlane revered Genghis and claimed to be descended from his second son. He used the city of Samarkand as his base, which Genghis himself had conquered. From there, Tamerlane conquered Persia, Armenia, Georgia and part of Russia.

Well, history shows that Hitler never "conquered" anything but parts of Europe (Spain, Portugal, Sweden and Switzerland remained neutral throughout); mainly France, the 'Benelux' countries, Norway, Denmark, Italy by proxy, and Greece, then-Yugoslavia, Crete and only appendages of the USSR (Ukraine, eastern Poland; and there, very temporarily). Hitler was no conqueror, but a petty little wanna-be who rightfully got his ass kicked by the Red Army hordes, and was a cowardly suicide at the "Ragnarok" he begged for at The End.

Berlin was sacrificed to Hitler's delusional, vegetarian, impotent psychosis. Conqueror? No--conquered, yes. By Commies, Western Allies and his own lies.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:20 PM

View Postthe L, on 01 July 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

Its very safe. Yestrday we joined EU. And we are member of NATO years before.

I can upload some pictures of women but thread would be probably be closed.

Congratulations on the EU admission, assuming that's what the People wanted.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:29 PM

View Postszentgyorgy, on 01 July 2013 - 10:20 PM, said:

Congratulations on the EU admission, assuming that's what the People wanted.

Its only logical outcome of our history and geography. Thanks.

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