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#1    kannin

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:27 PM

i know plate was his teacher but witch one excelled further? did the prodigy out due his master? whats your opinions!


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:50 PM

Socrates :)


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 02:57 PM

They both provided wonderful insight into the human condition.  I often quote both for points of wisdom and conversation.

Just look over to my avatar for a rather profound quote...

I have always appreciated this Plato quote...it is so fitting to today's world...

"The price of apathy in public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."...Plato

Here is another quote...I had an argument with someone recently who said this was not proven to be an Aristotle quote...however...the ages say it is and I will accept it as an Aristotle quote until someone can "prove" it is not.

"Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms."...Aristotle

Sometimes the burden of proof against the words of history are bore by the denier...this seems and sounds like something Aristotle would have said...and I embrace the words....why?...because they ring true.

Here are a couple other Aristotle attributed quotes I rather appreciate...

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."

"The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes."

By the way....you prob should have put this under "Philosophy" and not ancient,alternative history.  There is no dispute that both Gentlemen existed...there is no "alternative" take on that....

Edited by Jeremiah65, 28 June 2013 - 03:14 PM.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 03:17 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 28 June 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

They both provided wonderful insight into the human condition.  I often quote both for points of wisdom and conversation.

Just look over to my avatar for a rather profound quote...

I have always appreciated this Plato quote...it is so fitting to today's world...

"The price of apathy in public affairs is to be ruled by evil men."...Plato

Here is another quote...I had an argument with someone recently who said this was not proven to be an Aristotle quote...however...the ages say it is and I will accept it as an Aristotle quote until someone can "prove" it is not.

thank you for this insightful reply"Republics decline into democracies and democracies degenerate into despotisms."...Aristotle

Sometimes the burden of proof against the words of history are bore by the denier...this seems and sounds like something Aristotle would have said...and I embrace the words....why?...because they ring true.

Here are a couple other Aristotle attributed quotes I rather appreciate...

"At his best, man is the noblest of all animals; separated from law and justice he is the worst."

"The most perfect political community is one in which the middle class is in control, and outnumbers both of the other classes."

By the way....you prob should have put this under "Philosophy" and not ancient,alternative history.  There is no dispute that both Gentlemen existed...there is no "alternative" take on that....

thank you for this insightful reply


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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:05 PM

Heraclitus of Ephesus.

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Posted 28 June 2013 - 07:30 PM

lol i know the other were great but im saying between the teacher and student


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 05:22 PM

Read Plato's The Republic...As a political science major, it's the best thing I've ever read.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:25 PM

View PostSkittel, on 08 July 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Read Plato's The Republic...As a political science major, it's the best thing I've ever read.
i have gazed at it but i think ill fallow through with it this time just have to find time


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 09:54 PM

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Adam Smith tried to turn this into economic policy. Jonathan Swift mocked it. Reagan, Thatcher, austerity budgets, Bush and many others made it popular.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:10 PM

Personally I think it is nearly impossible to determine which of the two was greater.  There is no doubt that Plato was a great philosopher as evidenced by his works but the problem is with Aristotle's works.  Everything Aristotle wrote himself was destroyed when the Library in Alexandria was burned if I remember correctly and all we have left from Aristotle are technical treatises from his school.  

It seems from other Greek philosophers of that time span that they viewed Aristotle as being a much better writer and philosopher then Plato but since we don't really have Aristotle's works to compare to Plato's works it is impossible to determine which one was greater.

Personally I always liked Plato more.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:28 PM

View PostSkittel, on 08 July 2013 - 05:22 PM, said:

Read Plato's The Republic...As a political science major, it's the best thing I've ever read.

...really? From your post, you seem awfully indebted to the visual and dramatic artists than Plato hustled out of town.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:29 PM

View PostDarkHunter, on 08 July 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

Personally I think it is nearly impossible to determine which of the two was greater.  There is no doubt that Plato was a great philosopher as evidenced by his works but the problem is with Aristotle's works.  Everything Aristotle wrote himself was destroyed when the Library in Alexandria was burned if I remember correctly and all we have left from Aristotle are technical treatises from his school.  

It seems from other Greek philosophers of that time span that they viewed Aristotle as being a much better writer and philosopher then Plato but since we don't really have Aristotle's works to compare to Plato's works it is impossible to determine which one was greater.

Personally I always liked Plato more.
yeah, it does smash you in the face on how horrible the loss of the library was! imagine all that knowledge, there has to be so many things we do not know that the answers were most likley in that library, it really saddens me


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:31 PM

View Postjaylemurph, on 08 July 2013 - 11:28 PM, said:

...really? From your post, you seem awfully indebted to the visual and dramatic artists than Plato hustled out of town.

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before you correct me on something that im sure anoys you "you're"


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:51 AM

Aristotle.   No question.

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 10:54 PM

View PostHarte, on 09 July 2013 - 04:51 AM, said:

Aristotle.   No question.

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