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#1    Timonthy

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 11:58 AM

'TWO teenage sisters have been shot dead for daring to film themselves dancing in the rain and "dishonouring" their family and men in their conservative village. '


Read more: http://www.news.com....9#ixzz2XnI5MTe4



There article outlines a few other big stories to do with crimes against women as well.



I hope this kind of thing will be all but nonexistent sometime during my life.



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Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:21 PM

Those poor girls, killed by their own step brother for dancing with children - basically they were playing children's games with children. :cry:

And the 13 year old raped by 4 men and then the tribal elders order her parents to kill her for disgracing them has my stomach churning and I feel rage building, impotent rage and I rarely feel such things.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:24 PM

 Timonthy, on 01 July 2013 - 11:58 AM, said:

I hope this kind of thing will be all but nonexistent sometime during my life.




Alas, no. With the growth of fundamentalist islam, it will increase during your lifetime.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:27 PM

It's an absolute disgrace that these kind of things still happen today.  I hope their killers are brought to justice although I doubt they will :(


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:43 PM

Funny, I see no honor in murdering little girls.  I fear change will only come from a blood bath. If I could speak to the women of that country I would say arm yourselves and take out a few a**holes before you go down.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:44 PM

disgusting

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:47 PM

"Honor" is perhaps a vice, not a virtue.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 12:49 PM

 Frank Merton, on 01 July 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

"Honor" is perhaps a vice, not a virtue.
It is Pride that comes before the fall .... in fact, of the seven deadly sins, it is pretty much the deadliest.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 06:02 PM

Turns one's stomach.  These men are beyond reason and logic and their hell hole of a country is a blot on the earth.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 06:11 PM

 Merc14, on 02 July 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

Turns one's stomach.  These men are beyond reason and logic and their hell hole of a country is a blot on the earth.
And they want to share it all with the rest of the world - at the edge of a sword.  I'm thinkin' no...

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:05 PM

Sick, truly sick!!

Why do we even trade with these countries? Why do they get Foreign Aid from the West?

@Ibstack: "impotent rage" is exactly the feelings that I have!! I hate the idea of War between Nations (I know I work in Defence) because of the indiscriminate nature of casualties, but I would have no problem in small scale incursions to meet out justice to the (smug) stepson and the elders in the village who demanded the death of a "Dis - honourable" daughter.

If these people thought there would be a consequence for their actions from an outside agency then they would think twice. Fight these extremists as they fight us. Bring terror to the culpable and maybe, just maybe, they will stop their evil dominion over women and children...IMO


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Posted 02 July 2013 - 07:19 PM

 keithisco, on 02 July 2013 - 07:05 PM, said:

Sick, truly sick!!

Why do we even trade with these countries? Why do they get Foreign Aid from the West?

@Ibstack: "impotent rage" is exactly the feelings that I have!! I hate the idea of War between Nations (I know I work in Defence) because of the indiscriminate nature of casualties, but I would have no problem in small scale incursions to meet out justice to the (smug) stepson and the elders in the village who demanded the death of a "Dis - honourable" daughter.

If these people thought there would be a consequence for their actions from an outside agency then they would think twice. Fight these extremists as they fight us. Bring terror to the culpable and maybe, just maybe, they will stop their evil dominion over women and children...IMO

NO. That does not work. Because they are not evil people; the ideology they believe in is evil.
Without addressing fundamentalist islam, we can not address this

The way the Western world currently addresses this is the equivalent of fighting WW2 while pretending that Nazism is a religion to be respected; only some violent misunderstanders of Nazism are bad.

It is a recipe for losing.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:44 PM

 Zaphod222, on 01 July 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

Alas, no. With the growth of fundamentalist islam, it will increase during your lifetime.

Although honor killings are anti Islamic and originate from culture, you might be right. Fundamentalist Islam is a farcry from the teachings in the Qur'an.
And as it is, it will indeed increase in our lifetime - given 'fundamentalist Islam' thrives in chaos and disorder. Let that be just the conditions that are created in the ME as we speak.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 01:50 PM

I think an awful lot of conclusions are being drawn from one event.  What is the population of Pakistan so how often per person does this sort of thing happen, and do you think similar horrors don't happen in the West?


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:20 PM

 and then, on 02 July 2013 - 06:11 PM, said:

And they want to share it all with the rest of the world - at the edge of a sword.  I'm thinkin' no...
Maybe we should reevaluate our foreign policy.  Stunning, I know.
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