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#16    seeder

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:28 PM

View Postzoser, on 01 July 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

I've no idea.  Was it visible to the eye or only to the camera?  There are lots of possibilities.  I can't see how listening to the PR explanation solves anything.



HELLO? put your thinking cap on mate, airshows =  family days out, which = lots of ice creams and burgers and PEOPLE WITH CAMERAS AND VIDEO CAMERAS shooting everything.

But only one vid, ONLY ONE, from the countless hundreds of photos/movies taken that day...reveals a UFO?  Get real.  Im not even going to bother explaining more to you,

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:29 PM

View Postpallidin, on 01 July 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

That's easy. None of the multitude of spectators reported seeing a UFO.

1) How do we know?  

2) Was it visible to the eye?  A lot of objects are not.

Over to you.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

zoser you cant convince those guys to believe ! even if they got abducted and being sexual ...... yeah you know ..  .. they would just ignore it..  some people are just to scared to admit ! give them time .  
i believe you zoser :D
you can just share your findings with me :D and all of those that believe :D .
let the skeptic do what they do best ! trying to find a way to convince themself that it is impossible !

Edited by WhyDontYouBeliEveMe, 01 July 2013 - 07:31 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

View Postzoser, on 01 July 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

I have to say that you never seem to prove anything with these counter posts even though you seem totally convinced that you have.
Do you really think the authorities are going to admit to a UFO near miss?
Think about it.
I'm not saying that the UFO was the cause of the crash or even that this particular UFO was even real.  It may be or it may not.
The point is that your post proves nothing either way.
If you think it does please say how.
I agree with you zoser. The daily mail article states:

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As Ukrainians prayed for the dead on a national day of mourning, Prosecutor-General Svyatoslav Pyskun said the pilots had been given a "wrong task" by their chiefs, who had flouted safety rules by allowing them to fly over the crowd.
This doesn't say what the cause of the crash was though. It just says that they shouldn't have been flying over the crowd in case of an unexpected crash.

As to the claim that no-one reported seeing the ufo, the speed of the entity would have been too fast for solid recognition. That's why the footage in slow motion can only reveal the ufo to the naked eye. Who in the crowd would later admit to saying that they "might" have seen something else in the sky at the time? It could be a fake video, yes, but it doesn't have that look to it imv. Most YT ufo clips are BAD fakes, agreed, but this doesn't have that obvious hallmark to it imo.

Edited by RingFenceTheCity, 01 July 2013 - 07:33 PM.

The object, known by the locals as "Bicho Voador" (Flying Animal), or "Bicho Sugador" (Sucking Animal), has the shape of a rounded ship and attacks people in isolation.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:35 PM

View PostWhyDontYouBeliEveMe, on 01 July 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

zoser you cant convince those guys to believe ! even if they got abducted and being sexual ...... yeah you know ..  .. they would just ignore it..  some people are just to scared to admit ! give them time .  
i believe you zoser :D
you can just share your findings with me :D and all of those that believe :D .
let the skeptic do what they do best ! trying to find a way to convince themself that it is impossible !

I agree that they cannot be convinced; I've been here for years.

My point is that seeder's article in no way disproves the footage.  It doesn't even mention a UFO.

I'm challenging the assumed certainty and making them back up the claims.

The same thing  happened on the AA threads.  Lots of claims but no proof to back anything up.

I've seen it all before.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:38 PM

View Postseeder, on 01 July 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

HELLO? put your thinking cap on mate, airshows =  family days out, which = lots of ice creams and burgers and PEOPLE WITH CAMERAS AND VIDEO CAMERAS shooting everything.

But only one vid, ONLY ONE, from the countless hundreds of photos/movies taken that day...reveals a UFO?  Get real.  Im not even going to bother explaining more to you,

For a claimed scientifically minded person that is totally unscientific.  

Simple question: have they come forward?

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:41 PM

View Postzoser, on 01 July 2013 - 07:35 PM, said:

I'm challenging the assumed certainty and making them back up the claims.



well Im quite sure all the skeptics here will allow you the time you need to collate lots of factual info and come back with credible links and sources and alternative images, and PROVE it is indeed real?

Not the skeptics job to do the legwork, its the person who posted it who needs to produce the facts, along with those who support the OP.

Dont you ever see how freaking daft you make yourself seem?  You see a vid on youtube, and YES ITS TRUE, ITS TRUE I TELL YOU !!   Not even questioning it, not even applying a rational thought process to it

Its on youtube after all... yawn

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Edited by seeder, 01 July 2013 - 07:43 PM.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:43 PM

Well, just hold a second here, Zoser.

I, for one, do believe in ET UFO's as well as various paranormal phenomenon. Though I have no proof of either. It's a personal belief. Always have.

The claims made in this case do not fit within my personal criteria of "suggestive proof" At all.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:44 PM

View Postseeder, on 01 July 2013 - 07:41 PM, said:

well Im quite sure all the skeptics here will allow you the time you need to collate lots of factual info and come back with credible links and sources and alternative images, and PROVE it is indeed real?

Not the skeptics job to do the legwork, its the person who posted it who needs to produce the facts, along with those who support the OP.

Dont you ever see how freaking daft you make yourself seem?  You see a vid on youtube, and YES ITS TRUE, ITS TRUE I TELL YOU !!   Not even questioning it, not even applying a rational thought process to it

Its on youtube after all... yawn

ps: send me your personal email, DOB and account number, my gran in Nigeria married the president who now wants to smuggle 50 million out, your cut is 25%

Deal?



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Repeat:  I have not said it was real or that it caused the crash.  I am simply saying you have not provided the evidence to say  that it was not real.

What I would say however is that there is convincing evidence that cigar shaped UFO's are real.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:47 PM

View Postpallidin, on 01 July 2013 - 07:43 PM, said:

Well, just hold a second here, Zoser.

I, for one, do believe in ET UFO's as well as various paranormal phenomenon. Though I have no proof of either. It's a personal belief. Always have.

The claims made in this case do not fit within my personal criteria of "suggestive proof" At all.

That's fine Mr P.

However what we cannot do in my opinion is put forward 'the press release version' of events and claim that to be the final word.

It takes more than that to constitute proof of a fake.

Edited by zoser, 01 July 2013 - 07:47 PM.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:47 PM

View Postzoser, on 01 July 2013 - 07:11 PM, said:

I have to say that you never seem to prove anything with these counter posts even though you seem totally convinced that you have.
Do you really think the authorities are going to admit to a UFO near miss?
Think about it.
I'm not saying that the UFO was the cause of the crash or even that this particular UFO was even real.  It may be or it may not.
The point is that your post proves nothing either way.
If you think it does please say how.
I agree with you zoser. The daily mail article states:

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As Ukrainians prayed for the dead on a national day of mourning, Prosecutor-General Svyatoslav Pyskun said the pilots had been given a "wrong task" by their chiefs, who had flouted safety rules by allowing them to fly over the crowd.
This doesn't say what the cause of the crash was though. It just says that they shouldn't have been flying over the crowd in case of an unexpected crash.

As to the claim that no-one reported seeing the ufo, the speed of the entity would have been too fast for solid recognition. That's why the footage in slow motion can only reveal the ufo to the naked eye. Who in the crowd would later admit to saying that they "might" have seen something else in the sky at the time? It could be a fake video, yes, but it doesn't have that look to it imv. Most YT ufo clips are BAD fakes, agreed, but this doesn't have that obvious hallmark to it imo.

The object, known by the locals as "Bicho Voador" (Flying Animal), or "Bicho Sugador" (Sucking Animal), has the shape of a rounded ship and attacks people in isolation.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:50 PM

View Postzoser, on 01 July 2013 - 07:44 PM, said:

Repeat:  I have not said it was real or that it caused the crash.  I am simply saying you have not provided the evidence to say  that it was not real.

What I would say however is that there is convincing evidence that cigar shaped UFO's are real.

Let me get this straight(please correct me):

You stated "I have not said it was real..." OK, that's responsible.

But then you infer that it is real because it's unreality can not be proven.

That, Zoser, is a strange way of coming to conclusions. A rather bizzare logic, IMO.


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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:53 PM

View Postpallidin, on 01 July 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

Let me get this straight(please correct me):

You stated "I have not said it was real..." OK, that's responsible.

But then you infer that it is real because it's unreality can not be proven.

That, Zoser, is a strange way of coming to conclusions. A rather bizzare logic, IMO.

Not sure what you are saying here.  

Have you looked over the 'Cigar Shaped UFO' thread?

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:56 PM

View PostRingFenceTheCity, on 01 July 2013 - 07:47 PM, said:



As to the claim that no-one reported seeing the ufo, the speed of the entity would have been too fast for solid recognition. That's why the footage in slow motion can only reveal the ufo to the naked eye.

Let me make something glaringly obvious for you shall I?

Its an air-show, many planes can be in the air at the same time. Distance can not be judged from the video of the thing and the actual jet.

AIRSHOW? Things flying about? Hello? Whats strange about that? Thats what you get at airshows.

Now, a simple task for you, go back to the OP and watch the vid on full screen. you will notice that the circle covering the thing actually erases it as it moves. hhmmm, give me a damned good reason a highlight will actually erase part of the thing please?

Take your time.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 07:57 PM

View Postzoser, on 01 July 2013 - 07:16 PM, said:

I've no idea.  Was it visible to the eye or only to the camera?  There are lots of possibilities.  I can't see how listening to the PR explanation solves anything.

Ufology has proved that.

This was clearly pilot error and had nothing to do with UFO's or any such thing.  The pilot was far to close to the ground and when the wing dropped, whether from mechanical or pilot error, it contacted the ground and the jet cartwheeled through the crowd.  No UFO needed or involved.

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