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#16    Babe Ruth

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:11 PM

No news laws need to be passed, but a heap of those passed at the altar of the GWOT need to be repealed.

Also, many of the laws on the books already against various crimes need to be enforced so that some criminals in government are prosecuted.

But, I know that ain't gonna happen.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:42 PM

Should Americans be this retarded?

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 08:48 PM

View PostYamato, on 03 July 2013 - 08:42 PM, said:

Should Americans be this retarded?

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 09:57 PM

View Postand then, on 03 July 2013 - 05:25 AM, said:

http://www.usatoday....da-day/2485049/

The homegrown variety of terrorists seem to be on the uptick.  Since they have the capacity to be far more damaging than those who must first find a way INTO our countries, should the penalties be more severe since they are being traitors?  If a Canadian or American is willing to kill fellow citizens indiscriminately for their religious beliefs then I think they deserve to be singled out for harsher punishment.  What say you all?

Years ago they used to hang people for doing that, they called it - Treason ..The violation of allegiance to ones state..

So, if a person uses not only a belief in faith BUT a political reasoning, for another country (they most likely never set foot in) and they kill their own citizens as a result  ( revenge, tit for tat killings )  then yes, that falls under treason.

If I am wrong, then so be it, but I am nearly sure that's right..

I say, if you love your own country, then you should not ever turn agianst your own citizens to slaughter them for another country's war etc... If you do this, not only are you a grade A traitor, ..   Now I do not care who the heck has a problem with me saying that, but that's how I see it...

How many people in places like IE - Iraq, would go ahead and slaughter their own kind to stick up for the US or Britain,  and turn to make a political statement to their OWN people..?

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:18 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 03 July 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

A country never is better than the sum of its citizens.
Illegal partisan citizens who can't remember the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights for their favorite lawling-come-lately.

Partisans blaming the government, voting for their partisan bureaucrats in election after election finding all the blame in the other side of the aisle instead of looking in the mirror.  That's the practical measure of the goodness of this country.

I spent two solid years agreeing with a "conservative" offering little more than contempt for every manifestation of Democratic-party governance until days before they closed the History Channel forums down when it culminated into this:

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Sometimes it takes that long to find out what people are really made of.  It's a matter of sheer incidence that I don't like Democratic-party policy, just like it's incident after incident after incident that proves the failure of Republican-party policy.   The Republicans had control of this government for years, and all they did was spend record amounts of money and make government bigger.  Oh but they give great speech and won an election. The Tea Partiers.  What a racket they turned out to be. Voting for illegal war in Libya in lockstep unison to the man.   Where are their voices of opposition for the federal government defiling the 4th Amendment today?   No, it's this law and that law that they care about.   Forget Article 1.  They can't even handle the War Powers Act.   What's the politically convenient way to break the law in this country today?

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:34 PM

Maybe I am just a "psychopath" -wow, really? - but I think traitors need a special justice that is swift and sure.  If we cannot defend the nation against internal PROVEN threats then it's game over.  I'm not talking about the government stupidity that we deal with daily.  I'm talking about actually catching them in the act, put an end to them quickly kind of justice.  No apologies from me for that.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:40 PM

View Postand then, on 03 July 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Maybe I am just a "psychopath" -wow, really? - but I think traitors need a special justice that is swift and sure.  If we cannot defend the nation against internal PROVEN threats then it's game over.  I'm not talking about the government stupidity that we deal with daily.  I'm talking about actually catching them in the act, put an end to them quickly kind of justice.  No apologies from me for that.
Right, we need new nanny laws from Washington DC to keep us safe!   Not reading the Constitution or amending what's inadequate in it is the American way.   Quickly now, before another threat gets us!    What's Bloomberg's Red White and Blue speech going to say tomorrow?

Must...have...new federal raids on those Mormon compounds, since everyone in and out of DC knows those Texas Rangers are a bunch of lackeys.   :wacko:

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:46 PM

The act, not the reason for it, should be the focus of justice.  Murder is murder and it should not matter whether the murder was part of a treasonous act or just an ordinary crime.

We see this with special legislation regarding "hate crimes."  The public wants some sort of special punishment, and politicians respond, but to me a rape is a rape regardless of whether it was done out of, say, racial prejudice or just normal male power perversion.


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Posted 03 July 2013 - 11:49 PM

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 12:00 AM

View Postand then, on 03 July 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Maybe I am just a "psychopath" -wow, really?

Its the internet, there will always  be a few that will  ironically call you a psychopath for agreeing with some form of punishment for acts of mass murder / murder.. It is too ironic...I see this a lot on the boards..

For example -  You read a story about...A child at 3 getting raped, stabbed and  their little body ditched... You feel angered  ( like most will do after reading something so vile and shocking ) and you express your opinions, saying something like - I think this sick git should face the death penalty  OR  never see the light of day, he is one vile excuse for a human being...

Along will come the over the top liberals to shame you, sticking up for the criminal, ( The irony escapes them ) .. telling you that you are just as bad as the criminal ( for a mere opinion ) and make you out to be a raving psychopath OR whatever over the top name they can think of.......AND.... they will bark at you for calling them a vile excuse for a human.. You will hear the - HOW DARE YOU clap trap..  These are people I cannot trust..I sometimes wonder if they are the ones that are truly focused.. ?

One of these type of folk said to me..."BM the murderer has rights".. I said - "Yes indeed, the right to remain silent once arrested, and the right to spend his life behind bars.".. I never care what they think of me...I never feel the need to care.

EDIT.. Reading my entire post, is merely an in general overall statement, hence the examples I made up at random etc....  I thought anyone reading can see this but just in case..It is not aimed at any one person  or any particular event..  Lets hope anyone else can see this...

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 12:09 AM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 04 July 2013 - 12:00 AM, said:

Its the internet, there will always  be a few that will  ironically call you a psychopath for agreeing with some form of punishment for acts of mass murder / murder.. It is too ironic...I see this a lot on the boards..
Who doesn't agree with some form of punishment for acts of mass murder/murder?   That's not what this topic is about.   What state/city/county/township in the US doesn't have some form of punishment for acts of murder/mass murder?

Now that we're all looping the "traitor" soundbyte across the airwaves, suddenly everyone's going to be a traitor now and that's what "and then" is dropping.  The assertion that domestic terrorists aren't punished enough because they're traitors now?

Liberal haters, stop punishing the motivation for the crime and punish the crime.  If punishments in the US aren't severe enough for murder or mass murder, that's another discussion.   Death penalties and life sentences in cages without parole seem severe enough to me.   What's left?  Torture?   Inflicting pain and torturous slow deaths?    Is that what we're implying here?

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 12:18 AM

View PostYamato, on 04 July 2013 - 12:09 AM, said:

Who doesn't agree with some form of punishment for acts of mass murder/murder?   That's not what this topic is about.  (SNIP)

Sigh here he goes again...To lay the emphasis...It was  ( like every bit of my post ) a  GENERAL statement. Not aimed at anyone or anything in this thread in particular.  I used murder/mass murder as one example..like the rest of my post, again just an example at random statement.  I was speaking about those over top folk as an over all statement Why am I explaining this?.....As usual, you pull up a post to question it and talk about things that are not there. I lost count how often you have done this to me before, it was like a hobby at one point lol.....

Yamato,..do it again and your post will be ignored.

Do not waste my time with this nonsense again...I didn't care to read the rest of the things you posted, The first two lines were more than enough. I do not want to know..

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Posted 04 July 2013 - 01:41 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 03 July 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

The act, not the reason for it, should be the focus of justice.  Murder is murder and it should not matter whether the murder was part of a treasonous act or just an ordinary crime.

We see this with special legislation regarding "hate crimes."  The public wants some sort of special punishment, and politicians respond, but to me a rape is a rape regardless of whether it was done out of, say, racial prejudice or just normal male power perversion.

Just a quick question. What about in cases of war? Should rape be treated like rape, like any other crime of rape, or as a war crime? Does it depend if done on an industrial level with camps? What if neighbor from group A just goes across the street and rapes someone in group B as the war begins when everyone in group A is killing group B in a country? The same with murder. Should we have war crimes then or just leave it as murder? Not sure of the answer myself but would like to hear your take.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 01:55 AM

View PostThe world needs you, on 04 July 2013 - 01:41 AM, said:

Just a quick question. What about in cases of war? Should rape be treated like rape, like any other crime of rape, or as a war crime? Does it depend if done on an industrial level with camps? What if neighbor from group A just goes across the street and rapes someone in group B as the war begins when everyone in group A is killing group B in a country? The same with murder. Should we have war crimes then or just leave it as murder? Not sure of the answer myself but would like to hear your take.
My reaction is that rape is rape and murder is murder, and the context of the crime is not relevant.  It's not that I object to war criminals getting treated harshly, but that I object to others who do the same thing not being treated as harshly.


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Posted 04 July 2013 - 02:33 AM

View PostYamato, on 04 July 2013 - 12:09 AM, said:

Who doesn't agree with some form of punishment for acts of mass murder/murder?   That's not what this topic is about.   What state/city/county/township in the US doesn't have some form of punishment for acts of murder/mass murder?

Now that we're all looping the "traitor" soundbyte across the airwaves, suddenly everyone's going to be a traitor now and that's what "and then" is dropping.  The assertion that domestic terrorists aren't punished enough because they're traitors now?

Liberal haters, stop punishing the motivation for the crime and punish the crime.  If punishments in the US aren't severe enough for murder or mass murder, that's another discussion.   Death penalties and life sentences in cages without parole seem severe enough to me.   What's left?  Torture?   Inflicting pain and torturous slow deaths? Is that what we're implying here?
So do you think that Bales will be executed?  Or Tsarnayev?  They murdered, maimed and destroyed lives.  There are laws on the books for what they did - do you think they will be applied?  Perhaps my frustration with these actors in Canada comes from the fact that the laws in many western countries have become so weakly enforced that I think a special case needs to be made.  Obviously I am NOT saying that innocent people should be branded as traitors - I made it clear that death penalties should be for caught in the act offenses.  To throw up the hands and act as though nothing can be done because something might possibly be missed or done incorrectly is to GIVE UP.  I'm not interested in that action....

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