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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:22 PM

The Vatican says Pope John Paul II is to become a saint.

Pope Francis cleared the way for his canonisation, expected later this year, after a second miracle was attributed to the late pontiff's intervention.

The Polish-born pope led the Roman Catholic Church from 1978 until his death in 2005.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-23198312

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:28 PM

 Still Waters, on 05 July 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

The Vatican says Pope John Paul II is to become a saint.

Pope Francis cleared the way for his canonisation, expected later this year, after a second miracle was attributed to the late pontiff's intervention.

The Polish-born pope led the Roman Catholic Church from 1978 until his death in 2005.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-23198312

A new Polish Saint! Yeah! :clap: :clap:

I'm glad to see them doing this. I read a biography of his, a couple of years ago. An amazing man....


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 03:40 PM

:rofl:  I think it is going to raise one first class stink, but if that is really what they want to do.  I don't think much good is going to come of it for them.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:20 PM

Miracles, and we are expected to take this seriously?. Imaginary friends, conjuring tricks, canibalism and miracles. The only miracle is that some still fall for this hogwash.


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Posted 05 July 2013 - 04:39 PM

Oh Lord, now the bashing of the Catholics starts.....
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Posted 05 July 2013 - 05:21 PM

 Kowalski, on 05 July 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Oh Lord, now the bashing of the Catholics starts.....
:no:

Oh goodness yes, those who are not educated in the church/faith will bash the life out of it.. Ignorance is bliss..But you have to think about it, Christians are their own worst enemy..What I mean is, look at Christianity, it has split more times than Liz Taylor has had marriages and then some... All of them with their own disagreements, all making their own churches / branches ...It became a mess..  It doesn't make sense, the spite and the bashing, it goes against all of Christs teachings...

I went to an all girls catholic school, and not once were we taught to hate other Christians, nor were we fed spiteful propaganda about other churches..  All we were taught was, Jesus was lord and he is your way to heaven ..He offered himself over, we should be thankful..All that and more.. But never anything spiteful about other Christians..
I only ever saw the likes of that from some protestant followers, but thankfully not all protestant followers, I know quite a few that are far more intelligent and hold more of an understanding of the faith...The intelligent Christians will not kick up any lame spite against another church, spreading propaganda about the church..In my view, those that do, are not fully educated on what the church is and why they do what they do....I guess that's what it is like to carry a chip on ones shoulder....

I don't follow Christianity any more, haven't done for a  quite a while, but my children are Protestant Christians as is my hubby and the rest of my family..( My mother is a born again Christian with my brother )  So I do have that bit of respect left, I will defend them if I can...

As for miracles, well I don't know, but if people claim they have received a miracle or two, from their holy spirit, served through John Paul, then hey, let them believe it.. It's not going to wreck my day lol

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:11 PM

 Kowalski, on 05 July 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Oh Lord, now the bashing of the Catholics starts.....
:no:

LOL don't worry about it.  The faith will endure and the Eucharist is the central aspect of our faith.  The recieving of the body, blood soul and divinity of Jesus Christ under the form of bread and wine.  A thousand years from now, it will still be true, for the church will endure because of Jesus Christ.  Everyone gets it ;-).  John Paul the second was a great man and a saint, I am glad like you that he is being honored in this way.  Let others think what they will....we all after all have our ideas about things.



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Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:12 PM

 Beckys_Mom, on 05 July 2013 - 05:21 PM, said:

Oh goodness yes, those who are not educated in the church/faith will bash the life out of it.. Ignorance is bliss..But you have to think about it, Christians are their own worst enemy..What I mean is, look at Christianity, it has split more times than Liz Taylor has had marriages and then some... All of them with their own disagreements, all making their own churches / branches ...It became a mess..  It doesn't make sense, the spite and the bashing, it goes against all of Christs teachings...

I went to an all girls catholic school, and not once were we taught to hate other Christians, nor were we fed spiteful propaganda about other churches..  All we were taught was, Jesus was lord and he is your way to heaven ..He offered himself over, we should be thankful..All that and more.. But never anything spiteful about other Christians..
I only ever saw the likes of that from some protestant followers, but thankfully not all protestant followers, I know quite a few that are far more intelligent and hold more of an understanding of the faith...The intelligent Christians will not kick up any lame spite against another church, spreading propaganda about the church..In my view, those that do, are not fully educated on what the church is and why they do what they do....I guess that's what it is like to carry a chip on ones shoulder....

I don't follow Christianity any more, haven't done for a  quite a while, but my children are Protestant Christians as is my hubby and the rest of my family..( My mother is a born again Christian with my brother )  So I do have that bit of respect left, I will defend them if I can...

As for miracles, well I don't know, but if people claim they have received a miracle or two, from their holy spirit, served through John Paul, then hey, let them believe it.. It's not going to wreck my day lol

Yes we are our own worst enemy, true enough...well said....but that can be said for just about any human endeavor I believe.

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Posted 05 July 2013 - 11:24 PM

 markdohle, on 05 July 2013 - 11:11 PM, said:

LOL don't worry about it.  The faith will endure and the Eucharist is the central aspect of our faith.  The recieving of the body, blood soul and divinity of Jesus Christ under the form of bread and wine.  A thousand years from now, it will still be true, for the church will endure because of Jesus Christ.  Everyone gets it ;-).  John Paul the second was a great man and a saint, I am glad like you that he is being honored in this way.  Let others think what they will....we all after all have our ideas about things.



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John Paul II was a great man, and I really admire and respect him. I remember going to my grandmother's house, and in her wall, next to her crucifix, was a picture of Pope John Paul II....


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 03:59 AM

Thanks for the thread, Still. As a non-Roman catholic this isn't much of my concern. However, I have long been a functioning Christian, and a student of like traditions--Catholicism and Orthodoxy especially--for decades. Also, the Pope is a head of state (Vatican City) and subject to political as well as spiritual assessment.

It is striking how JP 2 ascended to sainthood so quickly--like a rocket. I think Darkwind may be onto something, suggesting it may create a stink, if only because of the rapidity of his canonization-- 8 years (often the process takes centuries). He did nothing substantial to 'clean house' of priests sexually abusing children in the Catholic Church. He installed Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger as the protector of doctrine, and groomed him for his subsequent ineffectual papacy. He rejected the fruits of liberation theology because of its philosophical underpinnings in marxist analysis. As a youth and a man he suffered under both the Nazis and Soviets, so his allergy to "peoples' movements" was understandable--as well as unproductive. He was wildly popular with youth and non-Roman Catholics, but dismissive of many women's issues, both in the church and the secular world.

Of course, he was wildly charismatic. But that's not a criterion for sainthood.

I understand the glory, laud and honor applied to John Paul II. He'd probably be a saint by worldwide majority vote, apart from the requirements of the Vatican Curia. I simply regard him as a much more ambiguous and enigmatic world figure based on his actual record, rather than on his obviously robust personality and spirituality.

One reason for the usually longer process is because time provides perspective for honest assessment beyond mere emotional adulation.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:33 AM

Some posts here are worded as if satan himself had launched an attack upon the righteous of the world......   So, are we all simply to believe in "miracles" like little children believe in Father Frost. I have nothing against John Paul II, clearly a man of exceptional ability and humanity, but still only a man. The common theme here is "Thou shalt NOT say one word against Christianity" particulary to point and laugh and say "The emperor has no clothes", or to point out that while Pagan beliefs are mocked and derided as superstitious and childish, it seems okay that a mortal man can now be made into a demi-god, and that, despite any objections, is what a saint is.  My post was not an insult or any attack, it was an observation.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 08:42 AM

It is being passed because he performed 2 miricles.  What where they. Curing cancer in one women and parkesins in another.  God seems to be very selective.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 09:27 AM

A little ironic, canonizing John XXIII, who "did" the Second Vatican Council, and John Paul II, who did as much as he could to undo it, in pretty much the same breath.


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Posted 06 July 2013 - 10:42 AM

It was a miracle he kept the child molestation racket swept under the rug for so long.

Seriously though, Santo subito!  PJP2 changed the world.

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 11:01 AM

It's amazing how many will bash him and his faith, even though they couldn't care less for any of it...

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 06 July 2013 - 11:09 AM.

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