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#16    Babe Ruth

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:19 PM

View PostRaptor Witness, on 07 July 2013 - 03:21 AM, said:

I heard one pilot say today, "out of altitude, out of ideas," a common phrase they use in this rare situation.

It looks like someone's 777's ran out, by coming up a little short of the runway.

Of course it's too early to tell, but this accident is similar to the BA 777 landing in London last year after a long flight from Asia or Africa.  The engines went to flight idle and would not respond to throttle inputs.

We will see fairly quickly.  If that's the case, the pilot did a great job, given the cards he was dealt.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:25 PM

Ironically the numbers - 777 are said to be lucky...!!!

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:38 PM

The glide slope system was off line so it looks like they had to do a visuals only landing which is perfectly normal and common place but several passengers reported that  way to low over the water.  All of these factors  would seem to reenforce the idea that the plane hit the sea wall, knocking its tail off.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:47 PM

I would say: lets wait for the black box evaluation, after that we will know. As is we have about 1:100 being right.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:52 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 07 July 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

I would say: lets wait for the black box evaluation, after that we will know. As is we have about 1:100 being right.

Better than 1 in 100.  It is clear that the aircraft impacted the sea wall thereby knocking the tail section off but we can only speculate, at this time, about why it hit the sea wall and that will be either an explosion or mechanical failure in-close or pilot error.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 02:07 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 07 July 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Of course it's too early to tell, but this accident is similar to the BA 777 landing in London last year after a long flight from Asia or Africa.  The engines went to flight idle and would not respond to throttle inputs.

We will see fairly quickly.  If that's the case, the pilot did a great job, given the cards he was dealt.

Exactly. Not willing to throw the pilot under the bus at this stage of the investigation. It could very well be a thrust issue.

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"For whatever reason, the pilot did not have enough power available to correct the rate of descent that brought him into contact with the ground before he wanted to be there," Jim Tilmon, an aviation expert and former airline pilot, told CNN.

"There are a number of other considerations that may or may not have been made clear: One of them has to do with the fact that at least on one other occasion -- with a [Boeing] 777 in London -- they were on approach to land and they also ended up landing short. It's my understanding that it was all because of a fuel situation. For one reason or another, the throttles were moving but the engines were not increasing their thrust. Therefore they landed short of the runway and short of the power they needed to continue with a safe landing."

Expert: Flight 214 'should never have been close to hitting seawall'


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 02:43 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 07 July 2013 - 01:47 PM, said:

I would say: lets wait for the black box evaluation, after that we will know. As is we have about 1:100 being right.

View PostMerc14, on 07 July 2013 - 01:52 PM, said:

Better than 1 in 100.  It is clear that the aircraft impacted the sea wall thereby knocking the tail section off but we can only speculate, at this time, about why it hit the sea wall and that will be either an explosion or mechanical failure in-close or pilot error.
Yes, I'm not sure what the other 99 possibiltes might be, but it's fairly obvious what happened, the only question is, pilot error or technical fault (with the instruments, navigation systems, some error of fault with ATC sustems or whatever)

View PostBabe Ruth, on 07 July 2013 - 01:19 PM, said:

Of course it's too early to tell, but this accident is similar to the BA 777 landing in London last year after a long flight from Asia or Africa. The engines went to flight idle and would not respond to throttle inputs.

We will see fairly quickly. If that's the case, the pilot did a great job, given the cards he was dealt.
or indeed, yes, that's something that occurred to me as well.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 04:53 PM

Although in Aviation Mishap School they always cautioned us to gather all the evidence before even guessing at a cause.  That said, they have the aircrew, they have the black boxes, they have multiple expert eyewitnesses (pilots waiting for takeoff, tower personnel) and tehy have the aircraft and runway damage so within a week they should have a preliminary.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:58 PM

THe VASI lights were off on that runway,the ILS was off,THe Pilots could of actually miss judged the  threshold and slamed into the sea wall at there alt !
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Posted 08 July 2013 - 12:43 AM

The plane is reported to of been going too slow and there was a request for a go around.

http://www.cbsnews.c...-abort-landing/

Possibility rescuer's ran over one victim.

http://www.cbsnews.c...e-crash-victim/


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:06 AM

It has the sure signs of the flying turtle causing down draft. It is known the TSA have flying turtles, and have felt they have been over criticized, over worked, and they do not like short people.

My bet is on the flying turtle.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 10:34 AM

You need to read this. http://www.theatlant...o-crash/277563/

Here are some interesting comments from pilots who either witnessed the crash or watched the video.  It appears that one of the pilots had only 44 hours on the B777.  I wasn't aware of the "slam dunk" landing style that has to be employed at SFO.  I think I'll be flying into San Jose in the future.

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Posted 08 July 2013 - 11:27 AM

View PostRafterman, on 08 July 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

You need to read this. http://www.theatlant...o-crash/277563/

Here are some interesting comments from pilots who either witnessed the crash or watched the video.  It appears that one of the pilots had only 44 hours on the B777.  I wasn't aware of the "slam dunk" landing style that has to be employed at SFO.  I think I'll be flying into San Jose in the future.

I thought the last comment was interesting. I hadn't noticed it in the photos but after a terrifying crash and the fear and realisation of fire - how many passengers managed to retrieve their hand luggage before evacuating. The mind boggles as to how costly that could have been.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:21 PM

View PostRafterman, on 08 July 2013 - 10:34 AM, said:

You need to read this. http://www.theatlant...o-crash/277563/

Here are some interesting comments from pilots who either witnessed the crash or watched the video.  It appears that one of the pilots had only 44 hours on the B777.  I wasn't aware of the "slam dunk" landing style that has to be employed at SFO.  I think I'll be flying into San Jose in the future.

Oh man, they should have brought Hani The Magnificent out of retirement, eh? He could have flown that approach perfectly, even with no time in type.

And now it seems pretty likely that the crew really screwed the pooch on that approach.  Bummer.


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Posted 08 July 2013 - 01:35 PM

Here's the CNN exclusive. I wonder how much this guy got paid for this. It's got to be worth some serious cash, having exclusive footage long before we'll ever see anything official from the feds.

I think the FTSB said it could be up to two years before they make up their minds what happened.

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