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#31    rashore

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 06:44 PM

View PostSoulChanneler, on 07 July 2013 - 05:23 PM, said:

Well, you are the one making the claim that these are real souls, the burden is upon you to prove it. So, what proof do you have other than your claim that you see something in the images you create?


rashore, you are wrong my friend.  I don't need to prove anything.  I'm the one who believes.  Your'e the one who doesn't believe, so the burden of proof is on you.

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Huh.. Well then. I guess one can make up whatever they want and then tell others to disprove it. It is a standard argument of people that cannot prove their claim is true. Though really, you could have at least used claims from your own blog to further prove your case.
I find it interesting that you make the claim that I'm not a believer. Bet you are unwilling to provide proof of that claim as well. By your logic, you should be the one to provide the burden of proof that my belief does not exist. It would not be up to me to prove that it does.


And just as a side note, I found several bits of your blog interesting.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:04 PM

This seems like it should be in the " artists and writers hangout ".......

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

Brian and Sakari, if you wanted to do drip paintings and claim that you channel souls through them, then go for it!!  This is a free, capitalistic society we live in.  You're free to do want you want.

But if you're going to sit there and bash me because you don't believe me?  Well, that's pathetic and cowardly.  You guys enjoy playing devils advocate, but do you really know what a devil is?  Maybe you should be careful you're not playing with fire with all your "big words" and "lofty criticisms."  I know you like playing GOD up their where you live, but let me remind you both that you are merely mortals, just like me.  

Sakari, I am selling my art, and I am happy about that.  Do you anything about art?  Or do you just try to belittle people that have real vision because you don't have any of your own.  To be honest, you two are cowards who know how to hide behind your tough sounding words.

Do you two believe in anything?  Do you believe in yourselves.  Your abilities.  Or do you only believe in try to knock the other guy down.  That's cowardly.

If you want to keep this conversation going I'm more than happy too.  You've really got my juices going now.  Hell, we've only just begun.   Your blood is just as red as mine.  You don't want proof.  You want a fight, and I'll give you one.  Unfortunately, we can only verbally fight on sites like these.

Who made you guys "the last word in what is and isn't?  Certainly not me and I'm sure certainly not many others that have had to hear your bull____!!

You guys suck :td:


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:34 PM

Thank you rashore.  I appreciate that.

At least you find some of what I do interesting, unlike Sakari and Brian, the bobsy twins.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 07:48 PM

View PostSoulChanneler, on 07 July 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

Brian and Sakari, if you wanted to do drip paintings and claim that you channel souls through them, then go for it!!  This is a free, capitalistic society we live in.  You're free to do want you want.

But if you're going to sit there and bash me because you don't believe me?  Well, that's pathetic and cowardly.  You guys enjoy playing devils advocate, but do you really know what a devil is?  Maybe you should be careful you're not playing with fire with all your "big words" and "lofty criticisms."  I know you like playing GOD up their where you live, but let me remind you both that you are merely mortals, just like me.  

Sakari, I am selling my art, and I am happy about that.  Do you anything about art?  Or do you just try to belittle people that have real vision because you don't have any of your own.  To be honest, you two are cowards who know how to hide behind your tough sounding words.

Do you two believe in anything?  Do you believe in yourselves.  Your abilities.  Or do you only believe in try to knock the other guy down.  That's cowardly.

If you want to keep this conversation going I'm more than happy too.  You've really got my juices going now.  Hell, we've only just begun.   Your blood is just as red as mine.  You don't want proof.  You want a fight, and I'll give you one.  Unfortunately, we can only verbally fight on sites like these.

Who made you guys "the last word in what is and isn't?  Certainly not me and I'm sure certainly not many others that have had to hear your bull____!!

You guys suck :td:

You are telling us, You Are doing the art, You have this power that NO ONE ELSE HAS! You want us to believe in something that IS EXPLAINED, After we question and even shown solid evidence of Pareidolia you result in insults.

It is easier to claim it is paranormal than taking the hard route and find out what really happened.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:11 PM

View PostSoulChanneler, on 07 July 2013 - 07:34 PM, said:

Thank you rashore.  I appreciate that.

At least you find some of what I do interesting, unlike Sakari and Brian, the bobsy twins.

I'm not quite sure why you are taking my commentary so much more kindly than Sakari and Brian. But I guess I should be thankful about it, even if you did choose not to address any part of my post except my closing comment.
To be fair, I didn't say I found some of what you do interesting, I said I found some bits of your blog interesting. As in some of the things you have written. Some of your information about yourself, claims and commentary about art, and your vast array of fiscal value you place upon your work.

And Sakari and Brian are not Bobbsey twins. They for sure have their own personalities and views.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:16 PM

View PostSoulChanneler, on 07 July 2013 - 07:31 PM, said:

Brian and Sakari, if you wanted to do drip paintings and claim that you channel souls through them, then go for it!!  This is a free, capitalistic society we live in.  You're free to do want you want.

No thank you, I have Morals, and do not like to scam people. I would maybe call them " soul paintings " and leave it at that, for anyones imagination. I would not make wild , non provable, claims to get more money. I would want my Art to sell for what it is, my Art that I made. The only thing special about it is, I made it. If I had to put a fantastic spin on it to get people to buy it, I would feel that I must not be very good with my art talent.

But if you're going to sit there and bash me because you don't believe me?  Well, that's pathetic and cowardly.  You guys enjoy playing devils advocate, but do you really know what a devil is?  Maybe you should be careful you're not playing with fire with all your "big words" and "lofty criticisms."  I know you like playing GOD up their where you live, but let me remind you both that you are merely mortals, just like me.  

Not bashing you, I am bashing that you are scamming people.

Sakari, I am selling my art, and I am happy about that.  Do you anything about art?  Or do you just try to belittle people that have real vision because you don't have any of your own.  To be honest, you two are cowards who know how to hide behind your tough sounding words.

I can PM my physical address to you. And, my Nephew is an artist ( abstract ), we have about 25 prints and paintings of wolves in our home.

Do you two believe in anything?  Do you believe in yourselves.  Your abilities.  Or do you only believe in try to knock the other guy down.  That's cowardly.

I am not trying to knock anyone down.

If you want to keep this conversation going I'm more than happy too.  You've really got my juices going now.  Hell, we've only just begun.   Your blood is just as red as mine.  You don't want proof.  You want a fight, and I'll give you one.  Unfortunately, we can only verbally fight on sites like these.

Someone does not believe you and you get violent / defensive ?.....That is the first sign of lying.

Who made you guys "the last word in what is and isn't?  Certainly not me and I'm sure certainly not many others that have had to hear your bull____!!

No one, are you saying we are the last word?....Or, are you saying you are the last word?.....I did not think anyone was the last word, I thought people could form their own opinions.

You guys suck :td:

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Also ( read above first ), I am not big on abstract Art, but I think yours is just fine, and you do not need to " attach " a claim of souls with it to sell.

It is good if you ask me.

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:16 PM

You two have been insulting me throughout this whole posting.

I believe in what I am doing.

What you and your friend Sakari fail to understand is that you can not disprove of what I believe in with definitions of words.

Beliefs are more powerful than definitions of words to try and explain what I do.  Now, do you need proof of that last statement?  It is impossible to persuade me to believe what you want me to believe the way you are going about it.

You'd be better off finding out about my spiritual beliefs and why I believe what I believe and then telling me why your spiritual beliefs are better than mine.

Try reading a persuasion book or two.  You might understand what I'm talking about.

The issue here is that your method of convincing me is wrong.  Have you ever thought about using tact when you communicate, even with people you disagree with?

Remember, all I did was post some work I did and explained what the work is.  You and Sakari attacked me right of the bat.  Do you recall?


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:20 PM

Sakari, you have a cute answer for everything.  That's your problem.  You have to have the last word.

You ever feel like coming to Jax, Fl look me up.  We can have a conversation face to face.

Are you trying to tell me you like wolves?


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:20 PM

Ok Brian and/or Sakari, Get some paint and drip it onto a canvas while imagining a soul. Post them on here and let the forum d4ecide if you also posses this ability.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:23 PM

my question for SoulChanneler is, do you have any information about the souls themselves or is it just an image?


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:28 PM

Sakari, you are implying that I'm scamming people?  Because you don't believe in what I'm doing?

Why don't you try telling some of my clients that I'm scamming them.  I'm sure that will go over real well.

You make me laugh.


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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:30 PM

View PostSoulChanneler, on 07 July 2013 - 08:16 PM, said:

You two have been insulting me throughout this whole posting.

quote where I insulted you, if you took something wrong, that is your issue. If I typed something wrong, I will apologize.

I believe in what I am doing.

That is great, nothing wrong with that...Unless you mean claiming you are capturing souls and trying to make money off of the claim, and not the Art.

What you and your friend Sakari fail to understand is that you can not disprove of what I believe in with definitions of words.

Not sure why you say " and your friend ", we are not a team, this is not a game, and I do not know Brian anymore then I know you.

Beliefs are more powerful than definitions of words to try and explain what I do.  Now, do you need proof of that last statement?  It is impossible to persuade me to believe what you want me to believe the way you are going about it.

Not trying to persuade you to believe anything.

You'd be better off finding out about my spiritual beliefs and why I believe what I believe and then telling me why your spiritual beliefs are better than mine.

I do not do religion discussions.

Try reading a persuasion book or two.  You might understand what I'm talking about.

Ram Dass, Be Love Now,  is sitting 3 feet in front of me as I type.

The issue here is that your method of convincing me is wrong.  Have you ever thought about using tact when you communicate, even with people you disagree with?

Not trying to convince you of anything, just discussing / debating.

Remember, all I did was post some work I did and explained what the work is.  You and Sakari attacked me right of the bat.  Do you recall?


Again, where did I attack you?.....And you even acknowledged I was not attacking you.




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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:32 PM

Could we keep the comments civil and respectful please.

There's already way too many derogatory personal remarks being thrown around in this discussion.



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Posted 07 July 2013 - 08:37 PM

View PostSoulChanneler, on 07 July 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

Sakari, you have a cute answer for everything.  That's your problem.  You have to have the last word.

You ever feel like coming to Jax, Fl look me up.  We can have a conversation face to face.

Are you trying to tell me you like wolves?



First, I do not have to have the last word, check many of my other replies where I left shaking my head.....

Why the threats?....Who knows if you could kick my ass, or if I could kick yours.....Either way, pretty childish to even go there don't you think?.....Because I do not agree with your belief that is stated as fact?


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View PostSoulChanneler, on 07 July 2013 - 08:28 PM, said:

Sakari, you are implying that I'm scamming people?  Because you don't believe in what I'm doing?

Why don't you try telling some of my clients that I'm scamming them.  I'm sure that will go over real well.

You make me laugh.



No, I am not saying you are scamming people on all of your Art. And, I hope you are doing well with it.

I consider ( especially using the Paranormal, as it is " hot " right now ) saying something is Haunted, or painted by a Ghost, or moves on its own, or is the Soul of someone captured is a scam. It is a scam because it is being said to raise the price of something, and take advantage of people that " take someones word for it ".....So, yes, as for these, I consider it scamming.

As for your other Art, keep it up, and I hope it does well for you.


As I said, if you had said something along the lines of .....

" Captured Souls " as your description for this art, I would have no issue at all. Even if you said " I believe I am capturing souls with my work "......No issues.....It is when you state that you ARE doing this, and how special you are.

look man, you have talent, you do not need to go there.....

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