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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:41 PM

Washington Post said:


The world’s largest retailer delivered an ultimatum to District lawmakers Tuesday, telling them less than 24 hours before a decisive vote that at least three planned Wal-Marts will not open in the city if a super-minimum-wage proposal becomes law.

A team of Wal-Mart officials and lobbyists, including a high-level executive from the mega-
retailer’s Arkansas headquarters, walked the halls of the John A. Wilson Building on Tuesday afternoon, delivering the news to D.C. Council members.

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In plain English: Wal-Mart will continue its policy to under-price small retailers at the expense of the tax payer because its employees need food stamps and subsidized health care.

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:00 PM

Wow I just posted this link in another thread.  http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=250927 I thought about starting a thread about it, glad you did.

I think it sucks that Wal Mart can manipulate wages like that.  No wonder a lot of their employees are on food stamps.


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 09:41 PM

I'm at a loss as to why people focus on Walmart, when other department stores, clothing stores, grocery stores, fast food restaurants, individually owned businesses, etc, may pay a few cents more on the hour. The same people, who aren't making a living wage, shop at Walmart, as well as Cosco and other warehouse stores. Why aren't people rallying against JC Penny or Belk who also pay minimum wage and charge premium prices?

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:14 PM

View PostMichelle, on 10 July 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

I'm at a loss as to why people focus on Walmart, when other department stores, clothing stores, grocery stores, fast food restaurants, individually owned businesses, etc, may pay a few cents more on the hour. The same people, who aren't making a living wage, shop at Walmart, as well as Cosco and other warehouse stores. Why aren't people rallying against JC Penny or Belk who also pay minimum wage and charge premium prices?

Sam Walton is an inspiration, who started from nothing.

If Wal Mart has to start paying people $11.00 or more an hour, that will be passed on to the consumer, because they will have to raise their prices on the products they sell. A lot of customers who shop at Wal Mart are people who are making it paycheck to paycheck. So this is actually good business sense, because you have to have more money coming in, then going out....


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Posted 10 July 2013 - 11:51 PM

But then when I shop at Wal-Mart and I see their employees with smart phones and pictures of their three kids hanging around their necks I could care less about them complaining about having to be on food stamps. I can safely say I make three times as much as most Wal-Mart employees and I have 2 kids because I wanted my kids to be well taken care of. I don't have a cell phone because It's a bill I don't need. choices people that is what it is about if you can't afford something don't buy it. does anyone really think the reason the government is voting on this bill is because they care about the poor or those making minimum wage. guess what if they raise minimum wage those people will still be making minimum wage at least the ones that keep their jobs. It won't increase revenue to the government because the ones that get the raise will be evened out by those that lose their jobs. all it is going to do is put more people on the government take period.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:42 AM

View PostKowalski, on 10 July 2013 - 10:14 PM, said:

If Wal Mart has to start paying people $11.00 or more an hour, that will be passed on to the consumer, because they will have to raise their prices on the products they sell. A lot of customers who shop at Wal Mart are people who are making it paycheck to paycheck. So this is actually good business sense, because you have to have more money coming in, then going out....

It is passed on to the consumer anyway, just through the back door and then it is called taxes. A much less ineffective way to cash in as you also have to pay for the friction losses along the way.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 10:49 AM

View PostMichelle, on 10 July 2013 - 09:41 PM, said:

I'm at a loss as to why people focus on Walmart, when other department stores, clothing stores, grocery stores, fast food restaurants, individually owned businesses, etc, may pay a few cents more on the hour. The same people, who aren't making a living wage, shop at Walmart, as well as Cosco and other warehouse stores. Why aren't people rallying against JC Penny or Belk who also pay minimum wage and charge premium prices?

Sam Walton is an inspiration, who started from nothing.

Because Wal-Mart is viewed by many as a "conservative" company and is headquartered in the South.

Target does pretty much the same thing and they're viewed as a cool, hip retailer.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:34 AM

One of the problems with Wally World is they got too many chiefs in each store amongst the indians. They got the Store Manager, Co-Manager, Assistant Mangers <-(almost a dozen of these per store), Department Managers <-(a little over a dozen of these per store), and floor supervisors in some departments, like TLE when they already have a Department Manager and a Assistant Manager over that.

Lol. I mean...that is a serious overkill of employee management for just one store. It's no wonder they can't afford a raise in minimum wages.


I don't understand their business tactics, for years they removed the middleman when it came to buying things directly from the factory, thus saving themselves a ton of money. Yet, when it comes to employee management, they can't seem to do the same thing, remove the middle management. They don't need all those different types of managers in one store, it's ridiculous.

All they need is a Store Manager, Co-Manager, Night Supervisor and maybe a few supervisors in some areas like TLE because of safety concerns. They would save a ton of money and be able to pay their regular employees a little above the minimum wage.

They really need to get their crap together, when it comes to stuff like that and make the money they earn work more efficiently for them.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 11:41 AM

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 12:23 PM

View PostMiskatonicGrad, on 10 July 2013 - 11:51 PM, said:

But then when I shop at Wal-Mart and I see their employees with smart phones and pictures of their three kids hanging around their necks I could care less about them complaining about having to be on food stamps.

You do not speak for all Wal-Mart employees. I see just as many, if not more, who struggle daily just to have enough money to pay the exorbitant rent on cheap run-down apartments, car insurance, utilities and so forth.
With the job market the way it is, I am seeing more and more people being forced to rely on retail jobs from greasy king (Burger King) to Home Depot. The few I spoke to even had degrees but there was no work that was remotely in their field.

Jobs are scarce, prices keep rising yet wages are being kept to a level where it keeps the "rabble" like us at a certain level no matter how frugal we try to live. We can't all be superior successes like you so I guess we all deserve what we get, right?


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 01:20 PM

You are paying for it anyway.  You just see the price tag and "think" you are getting a good deal.  But you are not counting the hidden price.

Wal mart is profiting on your tax dollars because they pay low wages and their workers need food stamps to survive...this is corporate subsidy through the back door.

Say what you will...it's the truth.

It's free market.  In my opinion, people can choose to work for Costco that pays around $20.00 an hour on average and consumers could always "choose" to spend a few pennies more and shop somewhere else...as a poster above said...it's choices.  If enough people shopped elsewhere, Wally World would be forced to change their philosophy...but the common schmuck will not do that...they gotta save that $0.19 on a loaf of bread.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:02 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 11 July 2013 - 01:20 PM, said:

You are paying for it anyway.  You just see the price tag and "think" you are getting a good deal.  But you are not counting the hidden price.

Wal mart is profiting on your tax dollars because they pay low wages and their workers need food stamps to survive...this is corporate subsidy through the back door.

Say what you will...it's the truth.

It's free market.  In my opinion, people can choose to work for Costco that pays around $20.00 an hour on average and consumers could always "choose" to spend a few pennies more and shop somewhere else...as a poster above said...it's choices.  If enough people shopped elsewhere, Wally World would be forced to change their philosophy...but the common schmuck will not do that...they gotta save that $0.19 on a loaf of bread.

Personally, I prefer to shop at HEB (they have the own line of organic food, which is usually pretty cheap!) But HEBS don't exist outside of Texas unfortunately..... :(
But for quite a few people, Wal Mart is the cheapest and only place they can shop. They might have to drive quite a distance to get to a Costco.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:20 PM

View PostKowalski, on 11 July 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

Personally, I prefer to shop at HEB (they have the own line of organic food, which is usually pretty cheap!) But HEBS don't exist outside of Texas unfortunately..... :(
But for quite a few people, Wal Mart is the cheapest and only place they can shop. They might have to drive quite a distance to get to a Costco.

I lived in a town that "fought" Wal-Mart for almost a decade and always found it ironic that those who were the most vocal about it were the kinds of folks who wouldn't have been caught dead in a Wal-Mart to begin with.  

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:21 PM

View PostKowalski, on 11 July 2013 - 02:02 PM, said:

Personally, I prefer to shop at HEB (they have the own line of organic food, which is usually pretty cheap!) But HEBS don't exist outside of Texas unfortunately..... :(
But for quite a few people, Wal Mart is the cheapest and only place they can shop. They might have to drive quite a distance to get to a Costco.

The point I was actually trying to make is that it's never as it first appears on the surface.

So many people want to jump on the bandwagon and support the Wal mart destruction of small business as if it's a good thing...never stopping to think that you are actually assisting them even when you don't shop there.  If it were not for the Gov aiding them with assistance to their employees...they would be forced to pay higher wages as no one would work for them...or not for very long anyway.

We cry about all the people on Gov assistance and then we support companies that do this.  Kroger Supermarkets pay around $20.00 an hour and their food costs are not much higher.  Martin's/Giant Food stores also pay much more than Wally World and their food is not much higher either.  I actually choose to buy my food at Martin's or a farmers stand (we have a farmer's market here that sells locally grown produce, beef, chicken...etc).

The point of that statement above being that if Krogers, Martin's and Costco can pay a decent wage, hold a market share and still make a profit...so could Wal mart.  We just "choose" to let them get away with it by continuing to patronize their sweatshops.

Edited by Jeremiah65, 11 July 2013 - 02:22 PM.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:38 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 11 July 2013 - 02:21 PM, said:

The point I was actually trying to make is that it's never as it first appears on the surface.

So many people want to jump on the bandwagon and support the Wal mart destruction of small business as if it's a good thing...never stopping to think that you are actually assisting them even when you don't shop there.  If it were not for the Gov aiding them with assistance to their employees...they would be forced to pay higher wages as no one would work for them...or not for very long anyway.

We cry about all the people on Gov assistance and then we support companies that do this.  Kroger Supermarkets pay around $20.00 an hour and their food costs are not much higher.  Martin's/Giant Food stores also pay much more than Wally World and their food is not much higher either.  I actually choose to buy my food at Martin's or a farmers stand (we have a farmer's market here that sells locally grown produce, beef, chicken...etc).

The point of that statement above being that if Krogers, Martin's and Costco can pay a decent wage, hold a market share and still make a profit...so could Wal mart.  We just "choose" to let them get away with it by continuing to patronize their sweatshops.

Not, that I disagree with any of those points, but in some places, especially rural areas, Wal Mart is the only place they can afford or is the only choice to shop at. Yes, some of us are lucky, because we have alternative places we can shop at, or we grow our own food, raise our own chickens and cows, but other people aren't so fortunate. That's all I was pointing out. But I don't disagree with any of your points.





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