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#166    blacknagus

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:33 AM

View Postregeneratia, on 17 July 2013 - 09:33 PM, said:

I just have to add that the day my son began to see race was a very sad day for our little family. We did not initiate it, and were saddened it happened. Our hearts fell that day, with regards to education and race.

Yeah, it is a sad day.  However, as a society/nation, how do we teach history without revealing the truth of race.

I'm in an interracial marriage (19 years - I'm black and wife is white.)  I have a 7 year old.  She learned about slavery this year.  She asked me the following question:  "Dad, if slavery were happening today, would you and I be slaves?"  
What do you say?  I told her that "it depended on where we lived".  In some areas of the country, we would not be considered slaves.  We would be normal citizens like we are now.
That was the best that I could do.

I remember when I first saw "Roots".  I was in first grade or second.  I was furious and wanted to beat up all my white friends.    My mom and dad talked to me about the differences between history and the present.  They told me that things were different now and that we should "love and treat others as we wanted to be treated" and not to judge by race.
Plus, all my friends were awesome.  How could I stay angry?
I'm one of those black kids that grew up in mostly white communities and society.  With a few minor exceptions, my peers treated me no different than they treated each other.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:43 AM

View PostGlorfindel, on 18 July 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

I don't watch TV (well, perhaps I download the odd show once in a while). Joining part of a collective side? Im white, my family is too, im not joining anything. Once again, white people just don't exist and aren't aloud to speak out for their collective rights. Re-read my earlier post cause youre still forwarding the narrative that its racist for me to have any type of common western identity with other westerners, Im just supposed to ignore if not hate my own culture. I have no problem with other races of people, but I will not pretend that im not white or that my culture is inherently evil. Ain't happenin. I recognize media propaganda just fine, and a lot it is attacking white people, based purely on their race. If you cant see how one group of people is told to not have a collective identity (like you just told me not to have), while the rest of the groups are encouraged to have a strong identity, then maybe you are falling for media propaganda.

Why should anybody base identity on race? We're all individuals. I feel more connected to Black libertarians than White progressives. The former group represent me and my beliefs much more than the latter does. It's not only that. Races aren't monolithic groups with identical morals and values. Now, *that's* media propaganda. I'll take Ben Carson over Piers Morgan any day of the week, and I could give two @#$% about their skin tone.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:50 AM

View PostSundew, on 18 July 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

You may be correct, it's a culture that seems to pick up much of the worst of society. The baggy pants supposedly emulate prison garb, where no belts are allowed, hence the falling pants. Five minutes of late night viewing of a rap video will give you some idea about how their culture views women and glorifies violence, and it isn't pretty. Then there seems to be peer pressure NOT to learn in school because you are some kind of racial "sellout" if you become educated. But it could also be decades of "control" by the Democrat party. I would guess few blacks today if asked would know that both Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King, Jr. were Republicans, or that southern Democrats were the creators of the KKK, or that certain liberal eugenics organizations specifically targeted the black race through promoting abortion. Or that Al Gore, Sr. (D) voted against the Civil RIghts Act or Senator Robert Byrd (D) was a Kleagle, (a Klan recruiter) in the 1920-30s. Yet any black that embraces any conservative ideas or tries to assimilate into modern society is an "uncle Tom". Until they get over these mindsets they will always be a culture apart.

- Ah, but, that's the media potraying black culture.  Also, like you guys, blacks are individuals, we also are different based on region.  For example, I grew up in the midwest, I'll stack my families history - as patriotic Americans- up against anyones.  I have a ton of veterans in my family.  There are farmers and ranchers.  There are doctors and engineers and lawyers.  And, yes, I have some bad elements as well.  Blacks in the midwest are not as loud and vocal as blacks from the big cities back on the east or west coast.
We are individuals just like you.  Rap videos is hardly even a snip of our culture.  I suggest that you visit a black church and you can see some of the other side of our culture.

- As a liberal, I hear the "KKK was created by democrats" argument a lot.  It is a fact that back then those who did not want to see change were democrats.  Those who fought to maintain the status quo were democrats.  However, I would argue that that is the very definition of conservative.  The democrats (mainly southern democrats) were the conservatives of the day.  The democrats have an entirely different mindset now.
Love or hate Obama, you cannot deny, the diversity that was represented at his campaigns vs. the lack of diversity at Mitts/McCain's campaigns.  

- Finally, like I said above, we are individuals just like you.  You have country folks, we have country folks.  You have city folks, we have city folks.  You have conservative people, WE also have conservative people.   Most blacks of the previous generation are more conservative than liberal - like my mom.  She doesn't believe in abortion (well, she says it should be legal but extremely rare), sex before marriage, or gay marriage (a point of contention).  However, she mistrusts conservatives because of her experiences with people who were conservative.  You have to understand, it's not Sharpton on Jackson that define us or put mental images in our heads.  We have REAL LIFE EXPERIENCES that YOU guys simply do not have and that is what defines our views.  For my mom, working with a bunch white male republicans for over 30 years at an oil company in Oklahoma,  has defined "REPUBLICAN" for her.
Other things that drive blacks from republicans:  The "southern strategy" - first deployed by Reagan.  The man initiated his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Miss.  Why?  In his speech, he mentioned "states rights".   For a black person, thats code for disagreeing with the civil rights movement, school desegregation..etc.
Take Sara Palin and her "Real America' comment.  I actually supported McCain up until that very comment.  I didn't trust Obama at the time and, for the most part, still don't. At the time, my family had 3 active veterans in Iraq - all brothers -all from the same family.  These 3 guys were from Houston, Tx.  They listened to rap, R&B and hip-hop.  They like playing basketball and driving fast cars on the Houston freeways.  They ARE patriots who  were fighting for their country.  They ARE REAL Americans.  Again, another reason to avoid republicans. "
There were 12 kids in my dads family, 6 boys and 6 girls.  5 of the 6 of the boys were veterans.  My mom's family was smaller.  She had one brother.  He was a veteran.    That's an insult to suggest that were are NOT "Real Americans".

Anyway, just my 2 cents.  Stop letting the media define black people.  Go to a church on the black side of your town/city and, even after the Martin verdict, watch how welcomed and loved you'll be.

Edited by blacknagus, 19 July 2013 - 03:59 AM.


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:13 AM

View PostGlorfindel, on 18 July 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

I don't watch TV (well, perhaps I download the odd show once in a while). Joining part of a collective side? Im white, my family is too, im not joining anything. Once again, white people just don't exist and aren't aloud to speak out for their collective rights. Re-read my earlier post cause youre still forwarding the narrative that its racist for me to have any type of common western identity with other westerners, Im just supposed to ignore if not hate my own culture. I have no problem with other races of people, but I will not pretend that im not white or that my culture is inherently evil. Ain't happenin. I recognize media propaganda just fine, and a lot it is attacking white people, based purely on their race. If you cant see how one group of people is told to not have a collective identity (like you just told me not to have), while the rest of the groups are encouraged to have a strong identity, then maybe you are falling for media propaganda.

I am an individual.  I own my body.  I am me.  Plain and simple.  Even though I am part Irish-French and First Nation I do not consider myself to be collectively Irish, French or FN.  Its pointless... I am a mix of cultures.... What does it matter?  Who benefits?

Collectivists use division to control groups of individuals because they fear individual freedom.  The fear is another individual taking over what they built for themselves through the use of gov force.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:01 AM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 19 July 2013 - 03:29 AM, said:

You typed a good list of historical facts that are ignored by leftists. That's assuming that they're not just willfully ignorant of the history of tragedies and travesties like the involvement of Planned Parenthood in eugenics, as well as sterilization based on race. Sanger's views on Black babies approached Hitler's views on Jewish babies, but that's swept under the rug. Scratch that; it's buried under the building.

The irony of Obama saying, "God Bless Planned Parenthood" is lost on most people. But then ideology probably trumped history.


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Posted 20 July 2013 - 02:19 AM

View PostSundew, on 19 July 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

The irony of Obama saying, "God Bless Planned Parenthood" is lost on most people. But then ideology probably trumped history.

PP does much more than abortions.  Again, maybe the original intent was eugenic in nature but, now things are different.  Missions change.  People change.  The people who run PP changed.

PP does a lot of good vs. what conservatives would consider evil.


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Posted 20 July 2013 - 02:35 AM

View PostSundew, on 19 July 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

The irony of Obama saying, "God Bless Planned Parenthood" is lost on most people. But then ideology probably trumped history.

It's like an Irish toast to Cromwell. The sad irony of that would be lost on them too.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 06:45 PM

View Postacidhead, on 19 July 2013 - 04:13 AM, said:

I am an individual.  I own my body.  I am me.  Plain and simple.  Even though I am part Irish-French and First Nation I do not consider myself to be collectively Irish, French or FN.  Its pointless... I am a mix of cultures.... What does it matter?  Who benefits?

Collectivists use division to control groups of individuals because they fear individual freedom.  The fear is another individual taking over what they built for themselves through the use of gov force.

I am also an individual. That doesn't mean I take a "me" centric view of things. I have responsibility to things outside of myself as well. Like family, and my nation. This whole idea that only "me" matters is why no one gives a crap about the corruption in our governments. We do have responsibilities outside of our selves. Is it all of a sudden wrong to stand up for a group's rights? I have been vocal in the past about profiling in the black community for example, I have no doubt there are many cops who systematically discriminate while on the job. According to your ideals, it doesn't matter, because its just individual cops abusing individuals. Genocide, also doesn't matter, because its just individuals killing other individuals? Their race or religion etc, shouldn't even be thought of as a factor then? So something like genocide (sorry for being extreme) or systematic discrimination means nothing, because its really just several individuals killing other individuals. You can look at it that way, but it doesn't change the fact that groups exist in an ethnic and cultural sense, and that groups can be targeted as a whole as well.

Lets say every irish-french / first nations person was being targeted by the government and mainstream media. You would not speak out about it? Even though you know its going to effect you eventually, but regardless of your personal identity, you do fall into that group, you were born into it. And this is where it comes back to the double standard, because other groups are told to stand up for their collective rights, while white people are told they can't and that they have no ethnic origins, white people just pop out of the ground as a total individual (and yet its still ok to generalize them, if it comes to blaming them for their ancestors actions). And here you are forwarding the mainstream media's message, while talking down to me about media propaganda and divisiveness. You're only halfway there to even understanding it.

Edited by Glorfindel, 20 July 2013 - 06:49 PM.


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Posted 20 July 2013 - 08:01 PM

View Postblacknagus, on 20 July 2013 - 02:19 AM, said:

PP does much more than abortions.  Again, maybe the original intent was eugenic in nature but, now things are different.  Missions change.  People change.  The people who run PP changed.

PP does a lot of good vs. what conservatives would consider evil.

Really? Last time I checked its still owned by the same family that still calls for world-wide depopulation.





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