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#1    Beckys_Mom

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:52 PM

Leah Remini, the star of "King of Queens," has reportedly quit Scientology.
According to the New York Post, Remini was subjected to "years of 'interrogations' and 'thought modifications'" after she questioned Scientology leader David Miscavige. A source told the Post that the church questioned Remini's family and "blacklisted" her before she quit.  http://www.huffingto...ref=mostpopular
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After reading that, I came across this article below..

Leaving Scientology..A guide to help people who are wanting to leave...  There is so much in there telling them who they can talk to etc...   Below, is just one of the instructions listed, the page has lots more, which can be read at the bottom of this post ...

How to leave
These sections are written by an ex-Scientologist.
If you've come to the decision that Scientology is not for you, and you're wondering how to get out, we're here to help. Many people who realize that they may have some serious doubts about Scientology doctrines and policies don't know where to go from there. Here are some pointers that ex-Scientologists have found helpful:


1. Remember that you're not a criminal. Although people who leave are painted as downtone, downstat, or worse, SPs, always remember that "what's true for you is true for you".
You may be called a traitor, coward, liar, or criminal. You may be told that you have CI, or that you need to get your O/Ws off. You may be told that your petty complaints are not as important as saving the Universe. You may be told that "leaving is not the correct action", and that the correct action is to "take responsibility" for the situation and handle the church's problems from the inside.
Your ethics are YOUR ETHICS. You are the only one that gets to decide whether you are "out-ethics" or not.
Well, we're here to tell you that a desire to leave does not mean you have overts. It does not mean you're a traitor or a criminal. It does not mean you're a coward.
What it means is that you are choosing your own way, and keeping your integrity in. And that is a brave, brave thing to do.


Then there is a guide telling you what to do, followed by stories of people who left.....Moves on to - People who can help.... To read more go here - > http://leavescientol...blogspot.co.uk/
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The reason why I am posting this, is because I never knew that some religions can be hard to leave.

I left Christianity, and no one bothered me, I wasn't thrown any questions from my fellow Christians at home  ( well apart from my mother nagging me )  nor was I blacklisted, integrated or any trouble towards me.. I was FREE to leave in peace...My friends at home didn't care...  So when I read things like this, about Scientology, I think WOW that's just crazy biscuits..   I have a programme / documentary called - Scientologists at war..recorded on my Sky planner, I must watch this to see what's going on with this religion...

My question is - Are there any other religions that would be hard to leave, or perhaps one that would make life uneasy and hard for ex members?

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 12 July 2013 - 11:04 PM.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:46 PM

Islam, Jehovah Witness, the people who run around with horses I can't remember what you call them. Any that ostracizes you when you leave.  I can't imagine ostracizing my own child, but people do it.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:49 PM

View PostDarkwind, on 12 July 2013 - 11:46 PM, said:

Islam, Jehovah Witness, the people who run around with horses I can't remember what you call them. Any that ostracizes you when you leave.  I can't imagine ostracizing my own child, but people do it.

I don't understand why they do this?  ....To tell you the truth, this sort of thing never entered my head.. Perhaps because I was free to leave Christianity and not bothered by anyone over it, I felt anyone was free to leave whatever faith they once belonged to...

I mean, its a path you chose, it's your life, why would you have to justify your reasons to leave to anyone?

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:10 AM

I never thought of religion as a hard thing to leave until I started reading stories about the Scientologists and Islam.  I just stopped going to church and no one bothered me.  If you don't want to be part of it I don't see why they should care so much.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:31 AM

View PostHilander, on 13 July 2013 - 12:10 AM, said:

I never thought of religion as a hard thing to leave until I started reading stories about the Scientologists and Islam. I just stopped going to church and no one bothered me.  If you don't want to be part of it I don't see why they should care so much.

I know, many of them will bug the life out of you to join them, hoping you will make the decision and do so... But fret and make it uneasy if you want to leave?

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 08:16 AM

Leaving Islam can cost you your head.

http://news.bbc.co.u...sia/4850080.stm


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 11:27 AM

Difficult beyond difficult. It's more to do with it than these archaic laws and banishment. Abandoning a religious identity behind (especially if you were a devout believer at one point) is like abandoning your own identity, because religion isn't always kept as a separate medium of alternative lifestyle; it becomes ingrained in your sociocultural life and identity. Loosing all ties from it can be extremely difficult, and not to even mention the 'nonacceptance' part.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:10 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 13 July 2013 - 08:16 AM, said:

Leaving Islam can cost you your head.

http://news.bbc.co.u...sia/4850080.stm

So I see...

Then you have this guy..A Muslim who's ancestors were friends with Muhammed... He has an NDE...Sees Jesus and converts to Christianity...Check it out..



I have heard of other Muslims converting over to Christianity over here, but they do so on the quiet, it's usually kept low key...

Others who claim to have found the lord, will gladly show it, and not fear doing so, just the same as the ex Christians who don't have fear in leaving...

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:52 PM

http://biblehub.com/isaiah/1-28.htm

It's in the old testament too.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:24 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 13 July 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

So I see...

Then you have this guy..A Muslim who's ancestors were friends with Muhammed... He has an NDE...Sees Jesus and converts to Christianity...Check it out..



I have heard of other Muslims converting over to Christianity over here, but they do so on the quiet, it's usually kept low key...

Others who claim to have found the lord, will gladly show it, and not fear doing so, just the same as the ex Christians who don't have fear in leaving...

Islam's faith is bound up with the political sturcture, so to leave Islam it is a threat to the common good, or thought of that way.  Just like in my church, the Catholic church back in the day when political power and church were joined at the hip, people were killed who left, burned etc.  A cult, is different, a small group against the world, everyone outside mistaken, wrong and lost.....Westboro Bapt is the Clhristian side of this problem, a rather large one.

Lots of Mulsims are becoming Christians without being told about it, it seems that Jesus is going to them......we will see if this is true or not....

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:50 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 12 July 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

My question is - Are there any other religions that would be hard to leave, or perhaps one that would make life uneasy and hard for ex members?

I don´t know if that was a trick a question, but e.g. islam is IMPOSSIBLE to leave. The Shariah punishment for leaving islam is death. I´d say that counts as "hard to leave".

That said, every cult is of course hard to leave, even if they don´t enforce membership that drastically.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:53 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 13 July 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

So I see...
Then you have this guy..A Muslim who's ancestors were friends with Muhammed... He has an NDE...Sees Jesus and converts to Christianity...Check it out..

Yeah. Under the protection of infidel secular law. Big deal. Now can you find an example of a living apostate in an islamic country?
............................................................................................... no, I didn´t think so either.

And you can bet your behind that even this guy in the West is receiving serious death threats.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:07 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 13 July 2013 - 02:50 PM, said:

I don´t know if that was a trick a question

What ever would give you that idea?   Hardly, since we know some are easy to leave  ( as noted ) and some are a lot harder...Nothing tricky about it...

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   but e.g. islam is IMPOSSIBLE to leave. The Shariah punishment for leaving islam is death. I´d say that counts as "hard to leave".

No way?   I wouldn't have known this if you weren't here...So glad you came along to share this, death highlighted AND underlined, must be serious business then eh?.( Despite the fact it was already pointed out earlier by someone else, and common knowledge by many ) ...So............ its hard to leave Islam then?

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Yeah. Under the protection of infidel secular law. Big deal.Now can you find an example of a living apostate in an islamic country?
............................................................................................... no, I didn´t think so either.

Did someone put sandpaper on your toilet seat this morning?  What's up with the in your face attitude? Calm yourself down, take a bite of chocolate and a deep breath... I don't get the ask a question and answer it yourself thing you have going on mixed with the attitude...The thread is asking people a straight forward question about faith / religions what ones are hard to leave, no need for you to get that excited lol

Whatever you do, never start up your own brand of religion, if that's how you tackle a simple straightforward question, I'd hate to see what you would do if anyone dared to leave your faith.. .Ohhh my  lol :lol:

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:11 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 13 July 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

No way?   I wouldn't have known this if you weren't here...So glad you came along to share this, death highlighted AND underlined, must be serious business then eh?.( Despite the fact it was already pointed out earlier by someone else, and common knowledge by many ) ...So............ its hard to leave Islam then?

Yes, it is hard. I call punishment by death hard.
In fact, as hard as it gets...
And I an glad that I could amuse you, although I fail to see what exactly you find funny about killing people for leaving a cult.

Somehow, I think you would have a different perspective, if you tried to be apostate in a country with islamic law. And yes, you are female, that is an additional nice twist.

Edited by Zaphod222, 13 July 2013 - 05:12 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:27 PM

View PostZaphod222, on 13 July 2013 - 05:11 PM, said:

Yes, it is hard. I call punishment by death hard.

Are you sure?  Gee you make it so final  lol

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   And I an glad that I could amuse you, although I fail to see what exactly you find funny about killing people for leaving a cult.   

Yes, the in my face attitude you took straight away to a simple question, was amusing.. Anyone who gets all fired up over something that is simple,is amusing...Nothing to do with people being killed for leaving a religion or a cult, just your attitude..  It is far better to use humour towards anyone who throws a fit of attitude, than it would be to react in the same way...Try it sometime, now there IS a challenge lol

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   Somehow, I think you would have a different perspective, if you tried to be apostate in a country with islamic law. And yes, you are female, that is an additional nice twist.   
Try telling me something......I don't know?.......   Before you entered the thread, someone already made a short point of it, and it is common knowledge...

Edited by Beckys_Mom, 13 July 2013 - 05:29 PM.

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