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Are we losing our justice system?


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#1    Merc14

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:06 AM

This is the most absurd questioning by a judge in years.  This democrat judge is railroading a citizen and denying him his civil rights.  The rumor is the Obama admin is pressuring this woman and after the last few scandals who would doubt it (obviously the delusional such as ninja, aka NNs, are excluded)?  

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Edited by Merc14, 13 July 2013 - 04:09 AM.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:30 AM

In the States judges are selected politically from the ranks of the legal profession.  It's amazing you don't get more of this sort of thing.  They are also given too much power with tribunals being used rarely and there being no particular consequence to having a decision overruled than that the decision is overruled.  Finally, in the States there is a "right" of trial by a jury, as though a group of randomly selected people have some special wisdom (although as a practical matter this has been pretty much overturned by having a complex set of "rules of evidence" giving the lawyers final say in these things anyway).


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:44 AM

losing?? we lost it already, look around there is no question about.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:48 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 July 2013 - 04:30 AM, said:

In the States judges are selected politically from the ranks of the legal profession.  It's amazing you don't get more of this sort of thing.  They are also given too much power with tribunals being used rarely and there being no particular consequence to having a decision overruled than that the decision is overruled.  Finally, in the States there is a "right" of trial by a jury, as though a group of randomly selected people have some special wisdom (although as a practical matter this has been pretty much overturned by having a complex set of "rules of evidence" giving the lawyers final say in these things anyway).

Did you watch the video?

Believing when there is no compelling evidence is a mistake.  The idea is to withhold belief until there is compelling evidence and if the universe does not comply with our predispositions, okay, then we have the wrenching obligation to accommodate to the way the universe really is.  - Carl Sagan

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:49 AM

View Postaztek, on 13 July 2013 - 04:44 AM, said:

losing?? we lost it already, look around there is no question about.
That sort of thing actually convinces you?

View PostMerc14, on 13 July 2013 - 04:48 AM, said:

Did you watch the video?
I can't.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 04:52 AM

View Postaztek, on 13 July 2013 - 04:44 AM, said:

losing?? we lost it already, look around there is no question about.

Sorry mate, I can't quit.  It's my country, I fought for it and I have a brilliant kid.  I won't let these scumbags take it all away and I'll never subject my child to a socialist world such as ninja and his ilk prefer.

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 July 2013 - 04:49 AM, said:

That sort of thing actually convinces you?

I can't.
It is an audio !
You didn't even bother.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:22 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 July 2013 - 04:49 AM, said:

That sort of thing actually convinces you?

I can't.
Sorry but unless I want to go through a not-very-difficult proxy procedure such things are not available to me, and my particular situation in life suggests that I keep my nose clean.

I pretty routinely resent people who post such things with no understanding that local situations differ and offer no verbal description.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 05:35 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 July 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:

Sorry but unless I want to go through a not-very-difficult proxy procedure such things are not available to me, and my particular situation in life suggests that I keep my nose clean.

I pretty routinely resent people who post such things with no understanding that local situations differ and offer no verbal description.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:24 AM

On a positive note, this idiot, biased judge has made an appeal easy to get. Is it just me or does she looks like Chris Farley in a wig?  I guess that was uncalled for but it's an amazing resemblance.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 06:51 AM

The u-tube and facebook censorship here in Vietnam is a bit of a joke, since of course everyone knows how to defeat it.  Here I am talking about it so openly.  The official reason has to do with the presence of disturbing things of a violent nature and the presence of pictures of certain items of women's clothing that is contrary to local taboo.  The situation is common not just in Communist countries but in others like Malaysia and Singapore.

I don't think the problem is political since the authorities do nothing about the widespread use of proxies.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 01:27 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 July 2013 - 04:49 AM, said:

That sort of thing actually convinces you?

which part of look around did you not understand.

a hint, you have to live here to be able to look around.

View PostFrank Merton, on 13 July 2013 - 05:22 AM, said:


I pretty routinely resent people who post such things with no understanding that local situations differ and offer no verbal description.

lmaO, than you have to resent yourself quite often than, for that very reason, i know i do, when you post anything about USA.

Edited by aztek, 13 July 2013 - 01:37 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:28 PM

Our "justice system" was lost decades ago, at the altar of the bogus war on drugs.

Now with Patriot Act, NDAA, MCA and a host of others, constitutional principles have been thrown out the window by our elected representatives.

As for the lady judge, it seems to me she's doing fine, considering that the defendant and his wife have already attempted to deceive the court about financial matters.  I am happy to play the 'innocent until proven guilty' game, and I am also capable of seeing the forest as opposed to the trees.  Z is lucky I'm not sitting on his jury.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:32 PM

By far the biggest flaw in the American justice system, is allowing people to be proven guilty by the free press long before they come to trial.

This practice essentially nullifies the burden of proof on the state. That is, the state purposely leaks damaging information about defendants to the media, in an attempt to tilt the scales of justice in the state's favor. This, on top of their advantage in terms of resources means that you're essentially having to prove yourself innocent. You have no assumption of innocense, and they see to that, unless it's a police officer on trial, and then YOU NEVER SEE THESE LEAKS. What a crock, as obvious as the sun blazing in the sky.

You want to know why we have so many wrongly convicted people behind bars? It's because people have to prove themselves innocent, after the state assists the media in convicting them in the public eye.

It's for this reason, that I have less and less faith in the U.S. justice system. You're guilty by smear campaign, long before you even go to trial.

That's one big thing I like about the justice system in Great Britain. I'm pretty sure that this protection is afforded to defendants, and while there may still be leaks, they are miniscule by comparison to the U.S. Justice System.

What we have is jury by MOB verbal violence. What we have is justice by public hanging, before there's a conviction.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 02:44 PM

I don't have much doubt that the American judicial system doesn't work. Indeed, I have little doubt that any judicial system works.  I also agree that it may be that the free press in some western countries contributes to this, although I might say that sometimes it has the opposite effect.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 03:48 PM

A Dagger at the Heart of Justice - Mark Steyn

"Needless to say, even in a nutso jurisdiction like Florida, the crime of “child abuse” was never intended to cover a wizened old granny kicking the ankle of the punk who’s mugging her a week before his 18th birthday. But, if Aggravated Pedophilia is what it takes to fry that puffy white cracker’s butt, so be it. If, for the purposes of American show trials, an Hispanic who voted for a black president can be instantly transformed into a white racist, there’s no reason why he can’t be a child abuser, too.

The defense was notified of this novel development, on which the prosecution (judging by the volume of precedents assembled) had been working for weeks or more likely months, at 7:30 that morning. If you know your Magna Carta, you’ll be aware that “no official shall place a man on trial . . . without producing credible witnesses to the truth of it.” But the rights enjoyed by free men in the England of King John in 1215 are harder to come by in the State of Florida eight centuries later. So the prosecutors decided, the day before the case went to the jury, that Zimmerman was engaged in an act of child abuse that had somehow got a bit out of hand: No “credible witnesses” to this charge had been presented in the preceding weeks, but hey, what the hell?"





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