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If You Know How a Cow Feels,Will You Eat Less

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#106    redhen

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:08 PM

View PostAggie, on 04 August 2013 - 09:52 PM, said:

I used to be a vegetarian but seeing how we naturally need that one vitamin that cannot be produced in the body or be assimilated by eating plants only, completely changed my mind.

Ok, I'll bite (no pun intended), what vitamin is that?

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I was a vegetarian because I didn't want to kill animals. I am not anymore, but I keep my meat intake much lower than most...to try to kill as little as I can.

I try to live a life of ahimsa (non-violence), but realistically it's hard not to utilize animal products; leather belts, boots and all kinds of things found in everyday items. But such apparent hypocrisy does not defeat the logical (ethical) argument against eating meat.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:14 PM

B12 is needed but now is available as a vegetable supplement.  The best natural source is pork.  I wonder what religions that ban pork make of that.

I understand the young Benjamin Franklin decided to become a vegetarian until on a trip from Boston to Philadelphia the ship got stranded by weather and the food ran out and the passengers subsisted on fish they caught.  Franklin was obliged to give in and couldn't believe how good the fresh fish was (this taste business is probably apocryphal -- at least it sound it).  At any rate he never became a vegetarian again.


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:19 PM

Red hen: Vitamin B12, the only vitamin the body cannot produce and that cannot be ingested by eating plants only. It is now available for vegans because our modern technology is able to extract it from plants, but without our technology we could never eat enough plants to assimilate enough vitamin B12.

I agree with you about the cruelty of killing animals....unfortunately we still have to do it...one day things might be different, and I hope they will.

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:30 PM

I once asked an ex-gf what it feels like to be a cow but all I got was a slap in the face.  pfft


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Posted 04 August 2013 - 10:31 PM

and you get 10 points, would've also accepted pig.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:01 PM

No. All I know that it has served its purpose. I'm thankful that it made me stronger. Without us feeding them, they'd probably get killed by other animals or starving.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:33 AM

View PostFlyingAngel, on 05 August 2013 - 10:01 PM, said:

No. All I know that it has served its purpose.

See the Richard Dawkins lecture on purpose above. There is no such thing in nature. Purpose connotates an end goal, an intentional design towards a finished product. That's not how nature and evolution work.

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I'm thankful that it made me stronger.

Meat, or even protein, doesn't make you stronger. Exercise makes you stronger!

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Without us feeding them, they'd probably get killed by other animals or starving.

So we're doing them all a favour? Anyways, cows, sheep and pigs have been purposefully designed by humans over thousands of years to be extremely docile and dependent. So if they can not survive in the wild now, you know whose fault that is.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:41 AM

  • I have no ethical problem with the idea of raising animals for food and seeing to it they live good lives, longer than they probably would in nature, protected, well fed and kept comfortable, etc., and then seeing to it that the end is painless.  My near-vegetarianism is pushed on me by the fact that this does not describe animal husbandry as it is today.



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Posted 06 August 2013 - 06:37 PM

How about If you new how a plant felt when you picked it and ate it would you still be a vegetarian ?

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 06:43 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 06 August 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

How about If you new how a plant felt when you picked it and ate it would you still be a vegetarian ?

I've wondered this as well. I've seen pseudo-studies that claimed plants can "feel" and react to pain (I've never had the opportunity to ask a vegan how they justify eating plants based on that). So that begs the question, at what point do we just admit that we place our right to live above that of another lifeform?

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 06:56 PM

View PostR4z3rsPar4d0x, on 06 August 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

How about If you new how a plant felt when you picked it and ate it would you still be a vegetarian ?
I don't see where this is an excuse for eating meat, where we can be certain it suffers.  We have no such evidence regarding plants and evidence that many plants  evolved needing such pruning.


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Posted 06 August 2013 - 07:12 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 06 August 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

I don't see where this is an excuse for eating meat, where we can be certain it suffers.  We have no such evidence regarding plants and evidence that many plants  evolved needing such pruning.
Oh I'm not saying it is an excuse I was just pointing it out, and like Dark_Grey said we place ourselves above other lifeforms

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Posted 06 August 2013 - 08:38 PM

Dealing with morality while having an organic body is a challenge...but at the end of the day, the survival mechanism trumps all and we eat to live, right?

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Locking people in a cage because they choose to exercise that right should be considered a crime against humanity






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