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#1    Ryinrea

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:37 AM

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3589612/ Also extrem ways were used by cops to reject a woman right to voice her oppion

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3587745/
And I am on my phone so sorry for any mistakes in my spelling.


Basicaly this bill closes all but five abortion clincs in the state due to stuipd regultions put in bill.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:40 AM

Expect lawsuits.

Also perhaps a run from Wendy Davis for governor.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 11:03 AM

^ Agrred in every state this has passed lawsuites were filed by people and the feds.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 12:48 PM

Going too push this up because more people need to learn about this uncontuional act.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:27 PM

May I ask why banning abortion after 20 weeks is unconstitutional?

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:38 PM

View PostLogicViking, on 13 July 2013 - 10:27 PM, said:

May I ask why banning abortion after 20 weeks is unconstitutional?

Their believing the fear mongering "on demand abortion" crowd. This bill is about safety, nothing more. I admit, at first I was very critical of this bill, but after researching it, it's not a bad bill.


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“What’s being highly contested by abortion supporters in this bill is not really the 20-week ban,” she said. “It’s the requirement that all abortion facilities be ambulatory surgical centers, which would require either they be compliant of these regulations by abortion centers or they would be closing down.”


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After the revelations about the horrors committed by abortionist Kermit Gosnell, one might think women’s rights advocates would be demanding heavy regulations to reform clinics and ensure the safety of women who choose to abort their pregnancies. Instead they are sacrificing safety for ease of access.

That certainly puts into perspective.....

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“The abortion lobby has said they want abortion to be safe, legal and rare,” Johnson told me. “But clearly we see that they’ve dropped the safe part and the rare part because they are trying to increase abortion.”

There is no question the abortion industry is big business. According to Planned Parenthood, the organization performed a record 333,964 abortions in FY 2012, pushing the organization’s three-year abortion total to just shy of one million. Planned Parenthood received an astonishing $542 million in taxpayer funds last year, accounting for 45 percent of its total operating budget.




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Johnson told me that during her time with Planned Parenthood, staffers were given abortion quotas to meet. Workers could easily influence vulnerable women into choosing an abortion, not necessarily for the benefit of the woman, but to meet the monthly quotas set by management.

Johnson also described seeing a 13-week-old fetus fighting for its life before ultimately losing its battle while she was assisting with an ultrasound-guided abortion. That was when she chose to leave Planned Parenthood. The organization sued Abby in an effort to make an example of her, but the lawsuit was eventually thrown out of court.

It’s difficult to understand why those who claim to care about protecting women are willing to sacrifice safety for convenience. Maybe it’s about money. It’s certainly not about safety.




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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:50 PM

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Under the new law, abortion doctors must get admitting privileges at nearby hospitals; abortion clinics must upgrade to surgical centers; abortion-inducing pills can only be taken when a physician is present; and abortions would be banned 20 weeks after fertilization.



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But none of those cases was in the U.S. Court of Appeals in Texas, points out Joe Pojman, executive director of Texas Alliance of Life, which has backed the anti-abortion bill from the beginning.
"Their optimism may be poorly founded in the 5th Circuit," Pojman says. "In Texas, we have had a very good track record of our abortion regulations and limits being reviewed and upheld by the 5th Circuit. I point out to you most recently our statute passed two years ago."
In 2011, the Center for Reproductive Rights appealed a Texas law that requires a doctor to ask a woman to see a sonogram and hear the heartbeat of the fetus before her abortion can be performed. Three appellate judges in the 5th Circuit upheld it.



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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:51 PM

The safety of the mother should be paramount no matter the stage of pregnancy. Sounds to me like they are implementing some long needed rules and regs on this edge of the medical trade. Maybe other states should look into putting people's lives and health into the forefront.

Edited by LogicViking, 13 July 2013 - 10:52 PM.

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Posted 13 July 2013 - 10:55 PM

View PostLogicViking, on 13 July 2013 - 10:51 PM, said:

The safety of the mother should be paramount no matter the stage of pregnancy. Sounds to me like they are implementing some long needed rules and regs on this edge of the medical trade. Maybe other states should look into putting people's lives and health into the forefront.

More than 30 states have passed similar legislation laws! It's about time this part of the medical trade became regulated. An abortion is not like a botox treatment for God's sakes.

Edited by Kowalski, 13 July 2013 - 10:57 PM.


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 11:07 PM

Welcome to UM LogicViking!  :)


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Posted 13 July 2013 - 11:31 PM

Thanks Kowalski! Been a long time reader, finally decided to get in here and participate! :tsu:

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:23 PM

Texas extremism in this bill will only hasten their demise.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:37 PM

Can you please explain how this is extremism? No one ever explained why it was unconstitutional either.. :whistle:

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:56 PM

It is unconstitutional to limit the rights and freedoms of others based on your beliefs, this was similar to the decisions on gay marriage. Since no person hood legislation can stand up in the courts, a fetus is not yet a full human with rights, therefore the right of women seeking a legal abortion cannot and should not be infringed upon based on others dislike or distaste of that legal act. There was no other reason to pass the Texas legislation other than to limit access which will fail in the courts. They cannot show that those regulations prevent anything other than access. They aren't for safety, they aren't for protecting women. They are attempting to circumvent the rights of women and their freedom of reproductive choice.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:47 PM

Firstly, thank you for explaining that.

So what you are saying, is that it's a womens rights violation to enforce policies and regulations on a medical trade due to the fact that it limits their freedom to go to any ol' corner shack abortion clinic, and get an abortion after such time has passed that the apparent "not a full human, without rights, etc" fetus can "possibly"  feel pain, which of course, is ok, because it's an obvious non-human growth of cells. *Sarcasm*

But realistically, shouldn't some of the regulations be in place for the safety of the patient? I mean, look at the strict regulations for heart transplants. Why should this sector of the medical trade not be regulated in the same fashion as any other surgical procedure? Any regulation of any kind can be construed to be a way to take away rights from a specific set of people who previously enjoyed the lack of regulation for example, smokers bans inside public areas. I'm sure the smokers found it an attempt to remove their rights specifically, but it was for the overall health of those who frequented those public areas. It may be slightly less convenient but it will probably save a lot of lives. After the Gosnell clinic, you don't think that maybe we should keep a closer eye on these peoples' safety?

And FYI, not ALL pro-life arguments center around religious beliefs.

Edited by LogicViking, 14 July 2013 - 11:51 PM.

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