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#16    Kowalski

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:00 AM

View PostLogicViking, on 14 July 2013 - 11:47 PM, said:

Firstly, thank you for explaining that.

So what you are saying, is that it's a womens rights violation to enforce policies and regulations on a medical trade due to the fact that it limits their freedom to go to any ol' corner shack abortion clinic, and get an abortion after such time has passed that the apparent "not a full human, without rights, etc" fetus can "possibly"  feel pain, which of course, is ok, because it's an obvious non-human growth of cells. *Sarcasm*

But realistically, shouldn't some of the regulations be in place for the safety of the patient? I mean, look at the strict regulations for heart transplants. Why should this sector of the medical trade not be regulated in the same fashion as any other surgical procedure? Any regulation of any kind can be construed to be a way to take away rights from a specific set of people who previously enjoyed the lack of regulation for example, smokers bans inside public areas. I'm sure the smokers found it an attempt to remove their rights specifically, but it was for the overall health of those who frequented those public areas. It may be slightly less convenient but it will probably save a lot of lives. After the Gosnell clinic, you don't think that maybe we should keep a closer eye on these peoples' safety?

And FYI, not ALL pro-life arguments center around religious beliefs.

As a woman, if I ever chose to have an abortion, for whatever reason, I would want it to be in a surgical ambulatory center, not just any ole clinic. A lot of these reconstructions make sense to me. I don't understand all the fuss about it.
As LogicViking pointed out, a lot if medical procedures, have restrictions. What is so wrong with that?

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:09 AM

When a group stands to complain about a ban on abortion at FIVE MONTHS gestation, what they are protesting for is the right to terminate at ANY POINT they choose.  Some even argue for the right to "abort" babies born alive by mistake in these centers.  Life is disposable in America today - unless it is a life that certain groups find valuable for reasons of their own.  It's a sad, sick society we have now.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:14 AM

View Postand then, on 15 July 2013 - 12:09 AM, said:

When a group stands to complain about a ban on abortion at FIVE MONTHS gestation, what they are protesting for is the right to terminate at ANY POINT they choose.  Some even argue for the right to "abort" babies born alive by mistake in these centers.  Life is disposable in America today - unless it is a life that certain groups find valuable for reasons of their own.  It's a sad, sick society we have now.

Yep. Sad...very sad.....
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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:25 AM

Opposition to this bill has nothing to do with the 20 week limit, I repeat; it has nothing to do with the 20 week limit. But you all can keep on believing that, maybe if you say it enough it will become true.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 07:23 AM

As with other states attempting similar restritive legislation the higher courts ask for proof of the failure ofcrrgulations already in place. Before these bills were passed women were in fact recieving good medical care and were having abortions that were safe. The new legislation supposedly being about a higher level of care is simply a smokescreen to pass a bill that will reduce access to abortion. It does nothing to raise the level of care or safety as that already existed in those states. The statistics in all the states prove that out. Its bunk they want better healthcare for women they only want to restict access.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:46 PM

Maybe some of you can answer a question I have, slightly veering off topic - Why is it ( In my experience ) the same general people who are pro-choice, also tend to be anti-death penalty, anti-firearm ( suppposedly due to the deaths related to them ). Why is this the case with some left leaning people?

Edited by LogicViking, 15 July 2013 - 04:06 PM.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:56 PM

View PostLogicViking, on 15 July 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

Maybe some of you can answer a question I have, slightly veering off topic - Why is it ( In my experience ) the same general people who are pro-life, also tend to be anti-death penalty, anti-firearm ( suppposedly due to the deaths related to them ). Why is this the case with some left leaning people?

Do you mean pro choice?

Because I'm pro-life and I'm pro gun and I'm for the death penalty.....


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:07 PM

Fixed >.< that's what happens when you try and type and talk at the same time :no:

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:21 PM

View PostLogicViking, on 15 July 2013 - 04:07 PM, said:

Fixed >.< that's what happens when you try and type and talk at the same time :no:

That's okay! LOL.

Yeah, I don't understand liberal logic at times. They  want to ban guns because of all the children who are killed every year with guns, yet are okay with murdering babies..... :huh:

Yeah, I don't get it....


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:42 PM

View PostLogicViking, on 15 July 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

Maybe some of you can answer a question I have, slightly veering off topic - Why is it ( In my experience ) the same general people who are pro-choice, also tend to be anti-death penalty, anti-firearm ( suppposedly due to the deaths related to them ). Why is this the case with some left leaning people?

I dunno why some pro-choice folks think that way, I dunno why some folks that are anti-abortion are ok with death penalty and guns.  Maybe because it's three different circumstances that some folks approach each one individually instead of clumping them all together. Of all the people I know in my life, pretty much all of them are pro-gun, or at least supportive of 2nd amendment when they aren't personally pro-gun. Most are pro-choice, though some are very much anti-abortion. Some are pro-death penalty, though some think it's flat out wrong. None of them seem to cluster all three issues together. Personally, I'm pro-choice, and I'm also pro-death penalty and pro-firearm. To me, they are three separate issues that have their own reasoning that's not necessarily connected to the others.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:01 PM

View Postrashore, on 15 July 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

I dunno why some pro-choice folks think that way, I dunno why some folks that are anti-abortion are ok with death penalty and guns.  Maybe because it's three different circumstances that some folks approach each one individually instead of clumping them all together. Of all the people I know in my life, pretty much all of them are pro-gun, or at least supportive of 2nd amendment when they aren't personally pro-gun. Most are pro-choice, though some are very much anti-abortion. Some are pro-death penalty, though some think it's flat out wrong. None of them seem to cluster all three issues together. Personally, I'm pro-choice, and I'm also pro-death penalty and pro-firearm. To me, they are three separate issues that have their own reasoning that's not necessarily connected to the others.

That's very true, but you have to admit, a lot of liberal progressives are pro choice, and anti gun. At least from what I've seen anyway....


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:26 PM

Getting back on topic, if any of these new restrictive laws and regulations that have been passed were truly about 'better healthcare for women' they wouldn't have the effect of closing women's health centers. This is happening right now in Virginia and those clinics didn't  just offer reproductive services, they were women's health clinics offering all manner of gyno checks and screenings for cancers etc. Its complete c#$% that this about better healthcare, its attempting to limit access to legal abortion. Here is a tip if you don't like abortion then don't have one. You don't have a right to say whether or not someone else you don't know should be a parent or not. Would like someone deciding for you?

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:31 PM

View PostKowalski, on 15 July 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

That's very true, but you have to admit, a lot of liberal progressives are pro choice, and anti gun. At least from what I've seen anyway....

I have no idea if you are right or not. Seems like every time someone has an opinion on something, they get slapped with a political label. I've kind of quit paying attention to what label it's under and just pay attention to the debate points instead. Lol, I dunno if there is a political label for that or not.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:09 PM

View Postdarkmoonlady, on 15 July 2013 - 05:26 PM, said:

Getting back on topic, if any of these new restrictive laws and regulations that have been passed were truly about 'better healthcare for women' they wouldn't have the effect of closing women's health centers. This is happening right now in Virginia and those clinics didn't  just offer reproductive services, they were women's health clinics offering all manner of gyno checks and screenings for cancers etc. Its complete c#$% that this about better healthcare, its attempting to limit access to legal abortion. Here is a tip if you don't like abortion then don't have one. You don't have a right to say whether or not someone else you don't know should be a parent or not. Would like someone deciding for you?

Good grief, quit being so over dramatic....

No one's trying to decide anything for anyone. If your going to be having sex, and don't want to get pregnant, get on the frickin pill! It's that simple. What is this pathological need of pro choicers to kill innocent, helpless babies? Is it some type of power trip?

You can whine and b**** about how it's a "clump of cells" (which is the same thing as the Nazi's calling Jews "undesirables" it demonized the enemy making it easier to kill them) and how it's your body and your choice, which is the same argument slave owners used to say, It was their property and they can do what they want with their property.... :no:

I'm sure most abortion clinics will not shut down, most probably already qualify as ambulatory surgical centers, or they will make the needed changes to qualify.  No one is making abortion illegal, and I would like to point out there are instances where I believe abortion is necessary, but it should not be used as birth control!

For God's sake, we are not animals in heat! Use some common sense....

After the horrors of the Gosnell Clinic you would think women would want these types of laws....

But, hey who am I to question the right of a mother to kill her almost full term baby, by having a butcher stab it in the back of the neck with a pair of scissors.... That was sarcasm by the way....

Edited by Kowalski, 15 July 2013 - 06:14 PM.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:30 PM

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When a group stands to complain about a ban on abortion at FIVE MONTHS gestation, what they are protesting for is the right to terminate at ANY POINT they choose.  Some even argue for the right to "abort" babies born alive by mistake in these centers.  Life is disposable in America today - unless it is a life that certain groups find valuable for reasons of their own.  It's a sad, sick society we have now.
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