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#16    Otto von Pickelhaube

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:45 AM

View PostAllterspace, on 13 July 2013 - 10:30 PM, said:

It may not be the most amasing act of governments overpowerment over the states. But combined with the mass ammunitions purchases and targets of pregnant women and children purchased by homeland security. It sure does raise a question or two about the issue.

a person can easily call another person paraniod, But Its alot harder for them to beg me to let them into my fall-out shelter!
What, they bought a mass consigment of pop-up targets of pregnant women & childrens for use on firing ranges, then? Was this from the same people as they buy all these tens of thousands of plastic Coffins from, and those unmarked rail cars that are waiting to haul the People off into the FEMA Camps?

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 04:39 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 13 July 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

You haven't been there yet Stellar, but when you're in one place on the ground, even inside a building, when a flight of Chinooks goes over, it's real impressive, and real loud, and at night time, most folks are sleeping.

Is it possible for common sense and decency to factor into government decisions?

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For those urban people that believe the helicopters aren't a big deal. Imagine a dozen of these hovering out your back door!      

Having been meters away from numerous military helicopters both on the ground and hovering/flying slightly above it, I can tell you that that its not that much different than a normal helicopter. Furthermore, they were not dozens of these "hovering" outside of anyone's back door. There was 8 of them, according to the news article. Quit trying to play up the incident.

The helicopters disturbed people, yes. The city didn't know it was happening. Understood. Now the officials can coordinate between each other and see if it is possible for this type of incident to be less disruptive next time. That's all there is to it. Its not as big of a deal as you and others are making it out to be.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 05:13 PM

View PostRaptorBites, on 13 July 2013 - 11:09 PM, said:

Are you seriously implying that the purchase of women and children targets are meant to be used as target practice?

Or did you stop and think that maybe its going to be used as a training aid to not fire on civilians.

Please explain why you mentioned this.
all the "no more hesitation" targets were armed, so clearly they were intended to be fired at.

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more here:
http://www.infowars....can-gun-owners/

what made you think they were targets not to be fired at?
is it that you just oppose everything that infowars informs the world about, or do you have something concrete?

Edited by Little Fish, 14 July 2013 - 05:16 PM.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 05:42 PM

View PostStellar, on 14 July 2013 - 04:39 PM, said:

Having been meters away from numerous military helicopters both on the ground and hovering/flying slightly above it, I can tell you that that its not that much different than a normal helicopter. Furthermore, they were not dozens of these "hovering" outside of anyone's back door. There was 8 of them, according to the news article. Quit trying to play up the incident.

The helicopters disturbed people, yes. The city didn't know it was happening. Understood. Now the officials can coordinate between each other and see if it is possible for this type of incident to be less disruptive next time. That's all there is to it. Its not as big of a deal as you and others are making it out to be.

Quit trying to play down the incident.

It's rude behavior if nothing else.  Why didn't they tell anybody it was coming?

Not to mention that the spirit of Posse Comitatus is dead and gone. :td:


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 06:42 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 14 July 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

Quit trying to play down the incident.

It's rude behavior if nothing else.  Why didn't they tell anybody it was coming?

Not to mention that the spirit of Posse Comitatus is dead and gone. :td:
Even a flight of 8 Blackhawks would raise the dead at that time of night!  Chinooks would cause windows to rattle if they were low enough.  Probably it's just a miscommunication but people are pretty darned antsy just now and it was a whopper of a mistake for someone to make.  In a situation like that my first instinct would be that a terror attack had happened somewhere close by.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:40 AM

View PostLittle Fish, on 14 July 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

all the "no more hesitation" targets were armed, so clearly they were intended to be fired at.

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more here:
http://www.infowars....can-gun-owners/

what made you think they were targets not to be fired at?
is it that you just oppose everything that infowars informs the world about, or do you have something concrete?

I'm petty sure Stellar doesn't have time to read the articles posted because he spends way to much time counting his comments. Infowars was the first to notice Homeland Security Buying 2 million dollars worth of these targets, But not the only one to write an article about it.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 02:17 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 14 July 2013 - 05:42 PM, said:

Quit trying to play down the incident.

It's rude behavior if nothing else.  Why didn't they tell anybody it was coming?

Not to mention that the spirit of Posse Comitatus is dead and gone. :td:

Exactly. Rude behaviour. Thats all. Not some nefarious attempt by the military to enslave the US population like the author is trying to make out.

Why didnt they tell anybody? Ask the general. As for Posse Comitatus, how exactly does this have anything to do with it?

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:28 AM

View PostLittle Fish, on 14 July 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

all the "no more hesitation" targets were armed, so clearly they were intended to be fired at.

Posted Image

more here:
http://www.infowars....can-gun-owners/

what made you think they were targets not to be fired at?
is it that you just oppose everything that infowars informs the world about, or do you have something concrete?

Women, elderly, and children pointing a weapon at you isn't considered a hostile threat?

Exactly what fantasy world do you live in if you feel that way?

View PostAllterspace, on 15 July 2013 - 01:40 AM, said:



I'm petty sure Stellar doesn't have time to read the articles posted because he spends way to much time counting his comments. Infowars was the first to notice Homeland Security Buying 2 million dollars worth of these targets, But not the only one to write an article about it.

Because infowars is in the business of fear mongering.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:38 AM

View PostAllterspace, on 13 July 2013 - 02:00 PM, said:

You Are in "The Conspiracy Theory Forum".

We are? How did I get here?! Who put me in this place?!. . . I want to know who's responsible for this situation!!!

In all seriousness, I do find the lack of communication among branches of government to be-------disturbing. But I've been complaining for months about the militarization of our culture. I think this is another example thereof. The US armed forces have become clumsier, more entitled and therefore less willing and/or able to handle what should be routine PR clearances.

My jaded image of the military is of an adolescent boy used to getting his own way, bloated with fiscal fat and marred by self-image problems stemming from dubious wars, now biting the hand that feeds it. And then trying to shirk chores around the house (i.e., properly care for veterans).

By a lack of critical thinking about, and permissiveness towards, the military since at least 2001, we the people are reaping what we've sown.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 03:49 PM

View PostDetective Mystery 2013, on 14 July 2013 - 03:08 AM, said:

Who is this Marshall, and what is his law? ;) I apologize for that. Yeah, they should alert cities and states when they conduct such operations. It brings various arguments with federal agencies to mind.

   Murphy's brother... Murph's law states that  'if anything can go wrong.. it will'   ... Marshal's law is ....  Everything HAS gone wrong.    Yes,  they should alert cities and states when they conduct such operations. An alerted public wouldn't decrease the effectiveness of  'training'  going on overhead?

    As for targets of women and children and the elderly...   i'd guess those are needed to desensitize soldiers  to  shooting such targets?... under orders?   Just in case it's a little girl or grandmother that's wired to  **BLOW**!  .     Horrific .. any way you look at it.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 04:38 PM

View PostRaptorBites, on 15 July 2013 - 03:28 AM, said:

Women, elderly, and children pointing a weapon at you isn't considered a hostile threat?

Exactly what fantasy world do you live in if you feel that way?
you said " its going to be used as a training aid to not fire on civilians"
an armed target is a target to be fired at, clearly shows there is intent to train police to shoot first without hesitation.
why don't you accept and admit you were wrong instead of dancing around.

"infowars is in the business of fear mongering"
the story is true though, isn't it.


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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:51 PM

View PostLittle Fish, on 15 July 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:


you said " its going to be used as a training aid to not fire on civilians"
an armed target is a target to be fired at, clearly shows there is intent to train police to shoot first without hesitation.
why don't you accept and admit you were wrong instead of dancing around.

"infowars is in the business of fear mongering"
the story is true though, isn't it.

I admit I was wrong based on I have not yet seen the actual targets.

The story is true that the targets were purchased but the premise is classic infowars fear mongering.

Pregnant lady, points firearm at you are you hesitating and risking yours and others lives by not taking a shot?

Yes or no?

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 05:57 PM

View Postlightly, on 15 July 2013 - 03:49 PM, said:



   Murphy's brother... Murph's law states that  'if anything can go wrong.. it will'   ... Marshal's law is ....  Everything HAS gone wrong.       Yes,  they should alert cities and states when they conduct such operations.    An alerted public wouldn't decrease the effectiveness of  'training'  going on overhead?

    As for targets of women and children and the elderly...   i'd guess those are needed to desensitize soldiers  to  shooting such targets?... under orders?   Just in case it's a little girl or grandmother that's wired to  **BLOW**!  .     Horrific .. any way you look at it.

Yes, classic cases of urban guerilla warfare.  We are in a day and age where it is not only men doing the fighting, but women, children, and the elderly have taken arms and become enemy combatants.

I personally experienced it in my 2 tours of duty overseas.

Why anyone would think that women, children, and the elderly are above becoming threats when they hold a weapon and point it at others.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:13 PM

My only thing is
when I, a civilian, go to a range with the pictures I have of people I think are threats (that I would like to practice shooting) tell me I cannot post pictures of people, I have to use the usual picture of bulleye(s) and such. With this though, suppose they'll let me do my thang now? - Hopefully...

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 11:37 PM

View PostRaptorBites, on 15 July 2013 - 05:57 PM, said:

Yes, classic cases of urban guerilla warfare.  We are in a day and age where it is not only men doing the fighting, but women, children, and the elderly have taken arms and become enemy combatants.

I personally experienced it in my 2 tours of duty overseas.

Why anyone would think that women, children, and the elderly are above becoming threats when they hold a weapon and point it at others.

I agree with you it may be important in other countries such as Iraq and Afganistan where suicide bombers are in the thousands. But this is Home Land Security.

Tinybox13- Yeah I wonder what list I would be put on if I went to the range and fired at pictures of a person I felt threatened about such as our commander in cheif. I dont beleive I would be able to fly after that!





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