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#16    Waspie_Dwarf

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 11:30 PM

View PostDarkwind, on 16 July 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

I want to go to the Universe where Star Trek is real.

I don't.

In the Star Trek universe Earth is currently struggling to recover from the Eugenics War of the mid-1990's and is just 13 years away from World War III, which will result in the deaths of 600 million people.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 01:15 AM

Dang I forgot about that. KHAN!!!!!

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 01:32 AM

Maybe it would be the alternate "mirror" Star Trek universe......

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 03:54 PM

that's the problem with those science fiction universes though. all of those big, dramatic events that are such fun to read about or watch would be pretty horrifying to actually live through!

you think, oh, star wars, yeah! i'd totally want to be a jedi! but then, bam! you're on alderaan about two minutes before the guy says "energize the demolition beam". nothing but space dust.

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 06:21 PM

View Postpatagonianhorsesnake, on 17 July 2013 - 03:54 PM, said:

that's the problem with those science fiction universes though. all of those big, dramatic events that are such fun to read about or watch would be pretty horrifying to actually live through!

I've heard it said that the best science fiction is not a prediction of how the future could be but a warning of how it could be.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 05:07 PM

View PostZeroZero, on 14 July 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

I didn't know exactly where to place this so I thought this would fit best.

Does anyone think it's possible that in an other dimension or universe, our works of fiction are real? Maybe there's a world where the events of Harry Potter took place exactly as J.K. Rowling wrote them, or your favorite video game world is real. Is it possible, that that everything in an other universe looks like what we know to be animated? Is there a world where Looney Tunes characters roam freely and preform physics shattering stunts? It's all just something I like to think about.
Hmmmmm if there are enough universes maybe but highly unlikely. The problem here is that if nature is deterministic then all events are preordained, and not all things that can physically exist will.

Example. There is nothing in physics stopping a giant solid gold planet from existing. But there is nothing in nature that we kniw of that leads to one existing. So even though a giant solid gold planet can exist there probably is not one anywhere in all of the multiverse unless some super intelligence decides to make one.

A work of fiction to be a reality... Well there simply may not be a vector for those circumstances to arise in that particular way. Now I would imagine more realistic fictions may come very very close. But the minute details will not be the same.

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 05:55 PM

View PostSeeker79, on 21 July 2013 - 05:07 PM, said:

Hmmmmm if there are enough universes maybe but highly unlikely. The problem here is that if nature is deterministic then all events are preordained, and not all things that can physically exist will.

Example. There is nothing in physics stopping a giant solid gold planet from existing. But there is nothing in nature that we kniw of that leads to one existing. So even though a giant solid gold planet can exist there probably is not one anywhere in all of the multiverse unless some super intelligence decides to make one.

A work of fiction to be a reality... Well there simply may not be a vector for those circumstances to arise in that particular way. Now I would imagine more realistic fictions may come very very close. But the minute details will not be the same.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 05:45 PM

View PostDarkwind, on 16 July 2013 - 06:43 PM, said:

I want to go to the Universe where Star Trek is real.

Redshirts by John Scalzi is basically that kind of story.

Ensigns on the Universal Union Capital Ship Intrepid notice that away teams involving the captain, science officer, and medical officer always result in the death of at least one low ranking crew member. The higher ranked people might get injured or exposed to some strange disease but they're always saved at the last minute. They finally realize they're fictional characters on a badly written science fiction series that were brought to life in an alternate universe by the act of writing and filming the show. The characters figure that out about 100 pages in and it's hinted at before then so I'm not ruining much. It's an entertaining read.

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 09:03 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 21 July 2013 - 05:55 PM, said:



Stranger things have happened....just ask Waspie

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10 X Moon Masses of gold COULD coalesce into one decent sized "Wanderer"
Cool.... It would seem that maybe it is possible. A planet sized diamond is also possible. But it could not be solid gold without anything in it. Still intriguing. I would love to have a car sized chunk if it. A golden meteorite would be awesome.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 05:00 PM

if the judeo christian god is real in one of them, wouldnt he be able to go into the realities where he is not. and as its impossible to imagine a god that is more powerfull as he is already described as being beyond mortal comprehension and being over all gods this christian god must exist.
if there is a god in one of them, not that i doubt hes already in this one 0.0

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 06:53 AM

View PostArmchair Educated, on 23 July 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

if the judeo christian god is real in one of them, wouldnt he be able to go into the realities where he is not. and as its impossible to imagine a god that is more powerfull as he is already described as being beyond mortal comprehension and being over all gods this christian god must exist.
if there is a god in one of them, not that i doubt hes already in this one 0.0
The Judeo Christian god would have create all of them. But I think it's closer to the great spirit actually being all of infinite reality. If these infinite universes exist one of them is bound to evolve a god like consciousness. The multiverse being infinite it evolved an infinite time ago and has encompassed everything from all directions while continuing to evolve.

To me anything g that is infinite most likely allows for infinite consciousness.

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Posted 24 August 2013 - 08:35 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 14 July 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

No I don't think it is possible. Multiverse does not mean everything is possible.
I think you are right. Multiverse (if infinite) means everything possible is probable


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Posted 25 August 2013 - 06:42 PM

View PostWhite Crane Feather, on 24 July 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

The Judeo Christian god would have create all of them. But I think it's closer to the great spirit actually being all of infinite reality. If these infinite universes exist one of them is bound to evolve a god like consciousness. The multiverse being infinite it evolved an infinite time ago and has encompassed everything from all directions while continuing to evolve.

To me anything g that is infinite most likely allows for infinite consciousness.

Not necessarily. To be 'omnipotent' compared to this universe they'd only have to be more powerful than the universe. In an infinite multiverse there'd be infinite universes created by Gods and infinite universes created by Nature. And that's not even considering universes where it is possible for beings to become Gods and create their own universes.

Frankly it's all too mind boggling, we should focus on figuring out this one before we speculate what could be. The only other thing I have to say about it is, if these fictional universes exist, why couldn't I be born in the Star Wars one? Hell I'd settle for being a Muggle in the Harry Potter universe just for the coolness aspect of REAL MAGIC. :P

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 07:33 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 14 July 2013 - 04:25 PM, said:

No I don't think it is possible. Multiverse does not mean everything is possible.

This.

While a multiverse is indeed possible, and other universes may vary from our own, that variance has to be within certain - fairly narrow - parameters else there would be no physics capable of sustaining matter.

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Posted 25 August 2013 - 11:06 PM

I think this universe or the multiverse must be a product or byproduct of something else. I mean, from where did the laws of physics that rule all this originate? Universes may be an inconsequential side-effect of this Something Else that is the True Reality.

Universes are just collateral junk. I think this may be true, because what purpose do they serve? Seemingly no purpose at all, at least from my experience from within one. The true meaning of Existence may lie external to all these worthless collections of irrelevant refuse.

There are elementary particles that exist, yet seem to serve no purpose to the construction of our cosmos. I think this is a clue or evidence of my hypothesis. I would be happy if all this were true, because then I wouldn't have to listen to people's tedious "search for meaning" talk all the time.

Plus, I could just relax and forget about it all, and not feel guilty wasting my time playing around on the internet.

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