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#1    pallidin

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:17 PM

To begin, I'm all for giving to the truly poor and disadvantaged. Not that I've done it often, but a few times.

Where I live I see people, usually the exact same people, at street corners such as at Walmart with a cardboard sign with some brief "written-on-the-sign" story and asking for help(sometimes work, but usually money)

This makes me mad, because I know there are people truly in need of help, and I also know there are lazy scammers. These day's I just can't tell the differance, though maybe it's always been that way.

Anyway, my point is that I feel reluctant to hand money(a couple bucks) over to these cardboard carriers because I get the sense that I am being scammed.

Yet, I feel bad for some of those that I pass by, giving nothing, that might truly need help, because I AM NOW JADED towards ALL the cardboard carriers.

Any thoughts?


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:33 PM

I feel for the people that really need help but the scammers make it hard to want to give to someone carrying a sign.  I bet some of them are there because they can't stop drinking alcohol or whatever long enough to get a job or keep it if they did.  Still hate to see a human starve even if its is from their own stupidity.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:38 PM

why should it bother you? if you give a dollar or so to someone running a scam (if there really are that many people doing that) it's not a loss. and if they genuinely need help, well, you've helped them. does it really hurt you that much?

i've given money to people, and i don't really care what they do with it afterwards. that's their business.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:52 PM

in the UK, homeless people sell a magazine called "the big issue", and it gives them the dignity of not having to beg, like they're earning the money you give them.
it's a good indicator that they ARE actually homeless, not scamming, and i sometimes buy two a week, from different people, because i've been homeless before, years ago, and can appreciate just how hard it can be on the streets.
it's not a perfect system, but it's better than nothing i guess.....

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 08:54 PM

This is strictly my choice, not one I expect others to make: I care if they use my money for an alcohol or drug  habit. I want to help others not hurt them further. I give to organizations who help the homeless. Sometimes these people are from shelters and they have to leave during the day, and this is what they do. So I prefer to give to the local groups that are trying to help them. I'll also give water and food to those on the corner and dog food if they have one.

They ask for money at our big intersections here in Houston. I've never seen that anywhere else. They have neon vests they wear and wander in and out of the cars (12-16 lanes of traffic) handing out a slip of paper about a shelter for money collection. My H has seen one then go into the local grocery store's bathroom and put all the cash into his pockets, leaving coins for the shelter, and return out to ask for more money.

Again, I want to help, not add to any existing problems, so for me personally, I choose to volunteer at or donate directly to (money, clothing, bedding) those local places that do help and are overwhelmed, over crowded, and short on money.

Also, sometimes, you don't have to look farther than the end of your nose to find family or friends or neighbors in extreme need too. If money embarrasses them there are dozens of other ways to help them.

We have offered them jobs too, I forgot. It worked out well for a couple, but one it was not a good idea that worked out well. Got a little scary, but that was one incident.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 14 July 2013 - 08:58 PM.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:08 PM

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:12 PM

View Postpatagonianhorsesnake, on 14 July 2013 - 08:38 PM, said:

why should it bother you? if you give a dollar or so to someone running a scam (if there really are that many people doing that) it's not a loss. and if they genuinely need help, well, you've helped them. does it really hurt you that much?

i've given money to people, and i don't really care what they do with it afterwards. that's their business.



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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:33 PM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 14 July 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

I give to organizations who help the homeless.

This^

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:44 PM

View PostQuiteContrary, on 14 July 2013 - 08:54 PM, said:

I give to organizations who help the homeless. Sometimes these people are from shelters and they have to leave during the day, and this is what they do. So I prefer to give to the local groups that are trying to help them. I'll also give water and food to those on the corner and dog food if they have one.

that's fair.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:50 PM

As a new Yorker ,I grew up with this.
Beggars are far fewer ,thanks to ghoulianni and bloombarf clamping down on them ,but in the good olde days,they washed your windshield .
Without fail. At the corner of The bowery and Houston .
You would yell,no no no ,and they wouldnt stop .
So they used to at least provide a service .ghoulianni made it illegal ,so they stopped.

Then they arrest them if they beg in places the cops are told to clear them out .
As a medic,I picked some of these people up ,and they used to be doctors ,lawyers,who lost it all.
There are back stories you don't expect.

But then there would be kids on avenue A. Obnoxious rich brats who left their home in Westchester ,for a punk rock drug addled life.
I would curse them out . They had sneakers on more expensive than my frigging car cost .

You can smell out who is who.
W used to buy coffee and bagels for the guys by my hospital ,and one refused.Wanted only money .
We said ,why,so you can buy booze.
No...

One guy ,by my old hospital in the Bronx . He was aways in rags ,and had his dog with him.
He was out there,rain or shine.
97 degrees,5 degrees.
I realized,it WAS HIS JOB .
he went to work faithfully every day . The was not rude or pushy . Thanked everyone who gave him something. He couldnt get a regular job,so this was his job.
Even if I missed his hand because of a green light,I dropped quarters on the walkway as I drove by ,so he would find them.
There are scammers,but not all. People in these situations,are gods way of teaching us humility.
There but for the grace of god,go i..........  

Look closer at them . Maybe chat with a few ,and You will know who is what . When you do know ,be kind ...
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:00 PM

*off topic* we will also give food and beverages to strikers and protesters if we believe in their cause.


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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:09 PM

I lived in a National Forest and I knew a lot of homeless people. Some were in real need, some were between jobs, some were there because the like living in the woods.  One day after work I was in a parking lot puting some oil in the truck. A guy came up and ask for a buck to help get out of town.  I looked up and it was one of those guys who liked living in the woods was standing there. When he saw it was me he laughed and sorry.   I just said, "ya,  I wish you were leaving town, before you go you got the 5 you owe me"  He pulled out a big wad of bills and give me my five.   He was still there when I left town.  Don't feel bad for passing them by.

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 10:23 PM

View PostSimbi Laveau, on 14 July 2013 - 09:50 PM, said:

As a new Yorker ,I grew up with this.
Beggars are far fewer ,thanks to ghoulianni and bloombarf clamping down on them ,but in the good olde days,they washed your windshield .
Without fail. At the corner of The bowery and Houston .
You would yell,no no no ,and they wouldnt stop .
So they used to at least provide a service .ghoulianni made it illegal ,so they stopped.

Then they arrest them if they beg in places the cops are told to clear them out .
As a medic,I picked some of these people up ,and they used to be doctors ,lawyers,who lost it all.
There are back stories you don't expect.

But then there would be kids on avenue A. Obnoxious rich brats who left their home in Westchester ,for a punk rock drug addled life.
I would curse them out . They had sneakers on more expensive than my frigging car cost .

You can smell out who is who.
W used to buy coffee and bagels for the guys by my hospital ,and one refused.Wanted only money .
We said ,why,so you can buy booze.
No...

One guy ,by my old hospital in the Bronx . He was aways in rags ,and had his dog with him.
He was out there,rain or shine.
97 degrees,5 degrees.
I realized,it WAS HIS JOB .
he went to work faithfully every day . The was not rude or pushy . Thanked everyone who gave him something. He couldnt get a regular job,so this was his job.
Even if I missed his hand because of a green light,I dropped quarters on the walkway as I drove by ,so he would find them.
There are scammers,but not all. People in these situations,are gods way of teaching us humility.
There but for the grace of god,go i..........  

Look closer at them . Maybe chat with a few ,and You will know who is what . When you do know ,be kind ...
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Posted 14 July 2013 - 11:21 PM

I hopped on a bus one night as my car was poorly(in garage),and these 2 guys got on,both had thin looking dogs,(in the U.K.you get extra benefit to feed the dog)they sat and counted out their cash for the day,one had £65($98)the other had £42($73),not bad for sitting in the subway,thats better than working in McDonalds,and you get home every night on the last bus....I used to give these guys money,but now I donate to the Salvation Army,who look after the homeless.

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 12:29 AM

I will not give organizations due the abuse of the 'needy'.  If you can afford tailor made cigarettes, wth are you doing in a food bank line?  Quit being so selfish and quite smoking so you can buy groceries for your kids.  I did see a guy who was desperate and begging outside the mall.  It was a hot day so I went into the grocery store and bought him a sandwich and a big bottle of water.  I thought he was going to cry.  He hadn't had food for a couple of days.  He thanked me over and over- that was someone who really needed help and wasn't just looking for money to buy booze or cigs

Edited by glorybebe, 15 July 2013 - 12:29 AM.

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