Jump to content




Welcome to Unexplained Mysteries! Please sign in or create an account to start posting and to access a host of extra features.


- - - - -

First wolf found in Holland after 150 years

wolf holland germany britain farms

  • Please log in to reply
34 replies to this topic

#16    ZaraKitty

ZaraKitty

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,202 posts
  • Joined:10 Mar 2012
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Australia

  • I can see it in their eyes, they've already died.

Posted 17 July 2013 - 03:30 PM

View PostMyles, on 17 July 2013 - 03:22 PM, said:

Pretty much.   But humans have the ability to stop the wolves.

By killing them?

The internet is a series of tubes, and those tubes are full of cats.

#17    Myles

Myles

    Majestic 12 Operative

  • Member
  • 6,518 posts
  • Joined:08 Jan 2007
  • Gender:Male

Posted 17 July 2013 - 04:41 PM

View PostZaraKitty, on 17 July 2013 - 03:30 PM, said:

By killing them?

If need be.    Most people do the same with rodents, insects or any pests which cause them grief.  
I usually kill a couple raccoons each year because they kill my chickens.    I look at as protecting my chickens and my source of eggs.


#18    Oppono Astos

Oppono Astos

    Overlord of Delgon

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,094 posts
  • Joined:06 Jan 2006
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Beyond your dimension

Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:27 PM

View PostMyles, on 17 July 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

I agree Mike.
Where I live, the deer population needs to be controlled every year.
And in the UK, deer populations (which also have a poor gene pool) have to be controlled because humans removed the apex predator - the wolf.  If we get reintroduction in my lifetime it will be in Scotland as natural prey/predator control.

Human overpopulation is no excuse for killing animals that are just exploiting whatever niche they can.

Who is the skeptic: the realist who won't accept belief, or the believer who won't accept reality?

#19    Oppono Astos

Oppono Astos

    Overlord of Delgon

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,094 posts
  • Joined:06 Jan 2006
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Beyond your dimension

Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:38 PM

View PostZaraKitty, on 17 July 2013 - 02:23 PM, said:

Why are wolves seen as a problem other than to farmers? They're not going to go out of their way and break in to anyones house and steal their stuff. Personally, I'd love wolves in Australia. Oh wait, Dingos.

Actually, I'd love it if every time someone said 'wolf' pictures of it snarling didn't go with it. Cause you know, there's more to a species than it being aggressive.
Having had the privilege of being part of captive wolf packs for three years I couldn't agree more, they are the most wonderful and misunderstood creatures on the planet.
Posted Image

Loads of my wolf piccies on Flickr

Who is the skeptic: the realist who won't accept belief, or the believer who won't accept reality?

#20    shadowlark

shadowlark

    Extraterrestrial Entity

  • Member
  • PipPipPip
  • 376 posts
  • Joined:17 Jul 2008
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Edmonton

Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:47 PM

View PostOppono Astos, on 17 July 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

Having had the privilege of being part of captive wolf packs for three years I couldn't agree more, they are the most wonderful and misunderstood creatures on the planet.
Posted Image

Loads of my wolf piccies on Flickr

What a beautiful picture!  I looked through all your wolf pics - the cubs are just too cute for words! :wub: :wub:


#21    shrooma

shrooma

    Government Agent

  • Banned
  • 3,985 posts
  • Joined:14 Feb 2013
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:leeds, UK.

  • Live.
    Sin.
    Die.

Posted 17 July 2013 - 07:50 PM

View PostMyles, on 17 July 2013 - 12:34 PM, said:


I think we have the right.
.
really?
we have the right to hunt creatures to extinction in their natural habitats, then when said species stages a comeback we start shooting them up all over again because we consider them a disruption to our commercial enterprises?
Tigers have been known to kill people, not just chickens, but no-one would suggest shooting them because of the threat they pose would they?
.

Never said shoot everything in sight.    What gave you that idea?    

View PostMyles, on 15 July 2013 - 10:02 PM, said:



issue hunting tags for wolves.   Keeps the population down.    If there isn't a need for them at all, open season will do it.
.
that quote did myles, unless "open season" means something different here.....?

"Get off your knees, the party's over."
.
-How do you sleep-
The Stone Roses.

#22    shrooma

shrooma

    Government Agent

  • Banned
  • 3,985 posts
  • Joined:14 Feb 2013
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:leeds, UK.

  • Live.
    Sin.
    Die.

Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:29 PM

View Postmsmike1, on 17 July 2013 - 01:58 PM, said:


In my opinion a controlled number of tags to kill a wolf could be issued after a conclusion has been come to on the population density of the wolves.

View PostStill Waters, on 15 July 2013 - 07:12 PM, said:



Scientists in Holland made the revelation after a mysterious creature found dead by the side of a road was revealed to be the country's first wolf in 150 years.


.
establishing population densities are the crucial factor here, but as you can see, precisely one wolf has been found, a dead one at that, and already people are a' startin' polishin' up their shootin' irons.....

.

View PostMyles, on 17 July 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

Where I live, the deer population needs to be controlled every year.
.
then do it naturally.
with wolves.
not guns.

Edited by shrooma, 17 July 2013 - 08:35 PM.

"Get off your knees, the party's over."
.
-How do you sleep-
The Stone Roses.

#23    ZaraKitty

ZaraKitty

    Psychic Spy

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,202 posts
  • Joined:10 Mar 2012
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:Australia

  • I can see it in their eyes, they've already died.

Posted 18 July 2013 - 01:42 AM

View PostMyles, on 17 July 2013 - 04:41 PM, said:

If need be. Most people do the same with rodents, insects or any pests which cause them grief.  
I usually kill a couple raccoons each year because they kill my chickens. I look at as protecting my chickens and my source of eggs.

Killing things to prevent them from killing things.

The internet is a series of tubes, and those tubes are full of cats.

#24    Frank Merton

Frank Merton

    Blue fish

  • Member
  • 17,137 posts
  • Joined:22 Jan 2013
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam

Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:28 AM

If the Dutch want wolves around, then that is their matter.  People all over the world manage to get along with them and they are a beautiful part of nature.  My basic reaction, however, stands; wolves belong in forests and the Dutch don't have much of that.


#25    Myles

Myles

    Majestic 12 Operative

  • Member
  • 6,518 posts
  • Joined:08 Jan 2007
  • Gender:Male

Posted 18 July 2013 - 11:30 AM

View PostZaraKitty, on 18 July 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

Killing things to prevent them from killing things.
Yes.   In certain situations.  
I spray for ants too.


#26    Myles

Myles

    Majestic 12 Operative

  • Member
  • 6,518 posts
  • Joined:08 Jan 2007
  • Gender:Male

Posted 18 July 2013 - 11:33 AM

View Postshrooma, on 17 July 2013 - 08:29 PM, said:

.
establishing population densities are the crucial factor here, but as you can see, precisely one wolf has been found, a dead one at that, and already people are a' startin' polishin' up their shootin' irons.....

.

.
then do it naturally.
with wolves.
not guns.
Easily said than done.  
Wolves are not a good option where I am at. Plenty of coyotes though.   I've never had any bothering my chickens yet.

View PostOppono Astos, on 17 July 2013 - 07:38 PM, said:

Having had the privilege of being part of captive wolf packs for three years I couldn't agree more, they are the most wonderful and misunderstood creatures on the planet.
Posted Image

Loads of my wolf piccies on Flickr
Great pics!!


#27    shrooma

shrooma

    Government Agent

  • Banned
  • 3,985 posts
  • Joined:14 Feb 2013
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:leeds, UK.

  • Live.
    Sin.
    Die.

Posted 18 July 2013 - 11:49 AM

View PostMyles, on 18 July 2013 - 11:33 AM, said:


Easily said than done.  
Wolves are not a good option where I am at.     Plenty of coyotes though.
.
can coyote's take down deer?
i don't know much about them i'm afraid. (apart from that they're pretty crap at catching roadrunners.....) whether they're large enough or fast enough to take deer, or whether they hunt in packs to make the job easier....?

"Get off your knees, the party's over."
.
-How do you sleep-
The Stone Roses.

#28    Myles

Myles

    Majestic 12 Operative

  • Member
  • 6,518 posts
  • Joined:08 Jan 2007
  • Gender:Male

Posted 18 July 2013 - 12:36 PM

View Postshrooma, on 18 July 2013 - 11:49 AM, said:

.
can coyote's take down deer?
i don't know much about them i'm afraid. (apart from that they're pretty crap at catching roadrunners.....) whether they're large enough or fast enough to take deer, or whether they hunt in packs to make the job easier....?
They do kill deer.   Not often though.   Usually they prefer smaller animals (rabbits, rodents) because it takes less work.   They are known to hunt in packs.   There are certainly many healthy populations of coyotes all over the US.   I think in my area, tags are given out to hunt them when their populations get too big.   Like I said earlier, I've never had the need.    A plus of the deer population is that during deer hunting season, lots of people get to fill their freezers up with wild game.   Much better than supporting the beef industry.


#29    msmike1

msmike1

    Conspiracy Theorist

  • Member
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 879 posts
  • Joined:14 Jul 2010
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Mississippi

Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:16 PM

Coyotes are very resourceful predators. Actually better predators than the wolf, and much more adaptable because of this. Coyotes range is much broader than the wolf because they will eat just about anything. They do kill deer, but generally the young and the sick. To find a coyote, or even a pack of coyotes killing a full grown deer is rare, although it does happen. They generally just don't have the size factor on their side as they are  much smaller than a full grown wolf. I personally have no problem with wolves. I think they are beautiful creatures that most definitely have their own right to be where they occur naturally. Unfortunately this range also intersects with livestock populations. Most anyone that has livestock in areas where large predators also roam understands that the occasional loss of an animal due to predation is going to happen. It is when these predators, be they wolves or whatever, decide that instead of hunting their natural prey they would like to kill livestock exclusively. This does happen on occasion, and when it does I have no problem with this animal or animals being eliminated from the equation. In areas where wolf populations are extremely high, a controlled hunting/trapping season is an excellent way to keep populations in check.

Unfortunately whether you agree with it or not, humans now play a part in the natural world. The population is ever expanding, and with expansion you have more people moving into rural habitats. A lot of them have no idea how to behave in a rural habitat and believe its like a subdivision with just more trees. They do not realize when you move into certain areas you are now part of that environment and everything that goes with it. Instead of living with the land they want to control it and nothing good ever comes of that. I have no problem with hunting as I do it myself very avidly. I also love nature and all that goes with it, be it wolves, coyotes, snakes, or whatever. I of course understand that you have to have a natural balance between humans and nature.

Mike


#30    Myles

Myles

    Majestic 12 Operative

  • Member
  • 6,518 posts
  • Joined:08 Jan 2007
  • Gender:Male

Posted 18 July 2013 - 02:26 PM

View Postmsmike1, on 18 July 2013 - 02:16 PM, said:

Coyotes are very resourceful predators. Actually better predators than the wolf, and much more adaptable because of this. Coyotes range is much broader than the wolf because they will eat just about anything. They do kill deer, but generally the young and the sick. To find a coyote, or even a pack of coyotes killing a full grown deer is rare, although it does happen. They generally just don't have the size factor on their side as they are  much smaller than a full grown wolf. I personally have no problem with wolves. I think they are beautiful creatures that most definitely have their own right to be where they occur naturally. Unfortunately this range also intersects with livestock populations. Most anyone that has livestock in areas where large predators also roam understands that the occasional loss of an animal due to predation is going to happen. It is when these predators, be they wolves or whatever, decide that instead of hunting their natural prey they would like to kill livestock exclusively. This does happen on occasion, and when it does I have no problem with this animal or animals being eliminated from the equation. In areas where wolf populations are extremely high, a controlled hunting/trapping season is an excellent way to keep populations in check.

Unfortunately whether you agree with it or not, humans now play a part in the natural world. The population is ever expanding, and with expansion you have more people moving into rural habitats. A lot of them have no idea how to behave in a rural habitat and believe its like a subdivision with just more trees. They do not realize when you move into certain areas you are now part of that environment and everything that goes with it. Instead of living with the land they want to control it and nothing good ever comes of that. I have no problem with hunting as I do it myself very avidly. I also love nature and all that goes with it, be it wolves, coyotes, snakes, or whatever. I of course understand that you have to have a natural balance between humans and nature.

Mike

Well said.






Also tagged with wolf, holland, germany, britain, farms

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users