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Study reveals six types of non-believers


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 03:48 PM

View Postkrypter3, on 16 July 2013 - 04:22 AM, said:

Why do people feel the need to put a label on everyone who is different, or has a different opinion/belief system than another..

I get the feeling that many "soft" sciences do little more than put fancy labels on things that are already known. Then ten years later someone else comes along and puts new labels on the same things as if they're new discoveries.

The labels do absolutely nothing to advance the understanding of these things but scientists do get grants and get to publish studies and pretend they're advancing their field of study.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 05:46 PM

I think that what I am hearing here is that intellectuals and non-Christians are being called 'Atheists.' That is a rather ambiguous assumption for The Church.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 08:07 PM

View PostWickian, on 16 July 2013 - 06:56 AM, said:

What category would simply not caring if religion is true or not land me in?

The category of Non-theist according to this study.

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A Non-Theist simply does not concern him or herself with religion. Religion plays no role or issue in one’s consciousness or worldview; nor does a Non- Theist have concern for the atheist or agnostic movement. No part of their life addresses or considers transcendent ontology.  They are not interested in any type of secularist agenda and simply do not care.

http://www.atheismresearch.com/


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:49 PM

View Postmarkdohle, on 16 July 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

Atheist are no different than anyone else, the ones I know are no more intelligent than anyone else, though they do want to be unique and special just as we all do.  Some are ass holes, others very nice and respectiful, just ordinary folk and like human beings in other groups, once you get to know them, yes they are all different, with diffent levels of intelligence and emotional intelligence.  

For Wickain...Apatheism:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatheism



Apatheism   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatheism

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Apatheists hold that if it were possible to prove that God does or does not exist, their behavior would not change.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.


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Posted 17 July 2013 - 01:23 AM

View Postkrypter3, on 16 July 2013 - 04:22 AM, said:

Why do people feel the need to put a label on everyone who is different, or has a different opinion/belief system than another..
Because that is how non-profit organizations are determined by the government, and how government money is doled out. That is what Labels are for, so the government knows in what Jar you belong.

My wife used to have a friend that practiced Ecstatic Dancing. Apparently it is like non-religous meditation, but obviously with dancing, to try to get that "feel" of religion without actually claiming you belong to a religion.

I think the most aggressive Atheists are just as bad as ultra fundamentalist Christians, because they go around trying to "Convert" people just as strongly as any Christian I've ever met. They will argue for weeks on end to prove they are right... when it really just does not matter.

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 01:09 PM

View PostDieChecker, on 17 July 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:

I think the most aggressive Atheists are just as bad as ultra fundamentalist Christians, because they go around trying to "Convert" people just as strongly as any Christian I've ever met. They will argue for weeks on end to prove they are right... when it really just does not matter.

I have met a good few aggressive Atheists and Christians... I put that down to their nature.. What I mean is, if they are naturally a negative person and can show aggression at anyone for the smallest of things?  Then they obviously are like that naturally.. So, if you removed their title - Christian or Atheist, they'd still be aggressive to others regardless ..

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 12:45 PM

The "just as varied" part does not cut well with me. I mean, after "study" one encounters there are about six types of non-believers. On the contrary, without an iota of study, any random person can conceive that believers of each religion are often divided into more than types of categories, and that's not taking into account the other thousands of religions and cults and practices around the world. I mean, while there will always be differences between each and every human beings, I don't think there's a lot of different ways to perceive a non-existent God or Power. If you get my gist.

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Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:14 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 17 July 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

I have met a good few aggressive Atheists and Christians... I put that down to their nature.. What I mean is, if they are naturally a negative person and can show aggression at anyone for the smallest of things?  Then they obviously are like that naturally.. So, if you removed their title - Christian or Atheist, they'd still be aggressive to others regardless ..
Firstly Atheists are not naturally aggressive, it is not part of what being an Atheist is all about. Yes, they will argue when faced with a Theocratic viewpoint that "should" be imposed on Atheists, but that is the nature of debate and is unrelated to this topic.

The fact is that Atheists (as I consider myself) are NOT agnostic, harbours no belief in a Religious Dimension to life or afterlife but in the same vein, does not expect a theist to understand this viewpoint and therefore tends towards humanistic viewpoints whereby social fairness is bound by a consensus of humanistic understandings. I.E. some things are intrinsically wrong, Murder, Rape, Theft, Corruption, Nepotism etc etc. We are not guided by Religious Tracts or sayings, there are no religious Texts that "guide" us, it is just simple, plain humanity.

Perhaps we Atheists should write up a Bill of Rights by ourselves and Publish it with none of the attendant religious epithets attached. IMO


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Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:32 PM

The study: What an incredible waste of resources and time.

Such an abundance of energy spent trying to pigeon-hole people by degrees of religious beliefs or lack thereof.

Why is religion the pet yardstick?  Think about it real hard.  It's polarizing; makes folks defensive.

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Posted 20 July 2013 - 03:13 PM

View Postkeithisco, on 19 July 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

The fact is that Atheists (as I consider myself)....

You would do well to consider what is stated in the following video:

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:21 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 17 July 2013 - 01:23 AM, said:


I think the most aggressive Atheists are just as bad as ultra fundamentalist Christians, because they go around trying to "Convert" people just as strongly as any Christian I've ever met. They will argue for weeks on end to prove they are right... when it really just does not matter.
I disagree. At most, from a aggressive atheist you'll get insulted. At their worst, fundamentalist Christians can be life threatening.


A clarification from the researcher's website:

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The project was funded entirely out of the pockets of the researchers and through the volunteer time of student assistants. No tax dollars were exploited to fund this project.

I take issue with this study simply because the classifications are so artificial. I easily fit into more than one category.

As for the six groupings, from the HuffPo article:

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The research was born out of Silver's dissertation project and takes a new approach to religious classification. Silver commented in a RawStory interview, “These categories are a first stab at this. In 30 years, we may be looking at a typology of 32 types.”


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Posted 24 July 2013 - 02:24 PM

View PostTechnocrat, on 20 July 2013 - 03:13 PM, said:

You would do well to consider what is stated in the following video:
"God did it", or rather an anthropomorphic God did it as the video was from a catholic source.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:17 AM

Wow, six types of non-believers. I always thought that there were only two types of humans - Christians with a book from their God Jesus Christ, and atheists with a book from their God Richard Dawkins.

But you know I jest :lol: On a serious note this isn't really news. But really, for the purpose of a census isn't "atheist/non-religious" enough? Or do governments need to know how many anti-theists they have in their country as opposed to just plain old agnostics?

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 02:06 PM

View PostBeckys_Mom, on 17 July 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

I have met a good few aggressive Atheists and Christians... I put that down to their nature.. What I mean is, if they are naturally a negative person and can show aggression at anyone for the smallest of things?  Then they obviously are like that naturally.. So, if you removed their title - Christian or Atheist, they'd still be aggressive to others regardless ..

A confounding factor to me of assigning 'aggressiveness' to atheists vs Christians is that many Christians have a significant emotional investment in their beliefs that you don't typically find in atheists with their beliefs.  Are the aggressive atheists really that aggressive and rude, or is it just that they are discussing the idea of Christianity like they discuss any other idea?  The statement that, 'Christianity is based on falsehoods and wishful thinking', I think is sometimes treated as being ruder or more aggressive than the statement, 'quantum dynamics is based on falsehoods and wishful thinking'.  It's not always that some atheists are being rude when discussing Christian notions, it's that they do not give it the special reverence that believers think it deserves.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 04:10 AM

View PostParanoid Android, on 25 July 2013 - 07:17 AM, said:

Wow, six types of non-believers. I always thought that there were only two types of humans - Christians with a book from their God Jesus Christ, and atheists with a book from their God Richard Dawkins.

But you know I jest :lol: On a serious note this isn't really news. But really, for the purpose of a census isn't "atheist/non-religious" enough? Or do governments need to know how many anti-theists they have in their country as opposed to just plain old agnostics?
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