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#1    Saru

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:08 AM

How long would it take an alien civilization to explore the whole galaxy using automated probes ?

Discovery News said:

The teams simulations mean that our solar system should have been visited perhaps more than once well-before the dawn of man. Their alien builders might have been motivated to have the machines go stealthy and cover their tracks once a planetary system survey is completed.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:35 AM

I suppose it begs the question if an alien species would develop such probes only to receive sporadic trickles of information spread out over millions of years? If their politics are anything like ours then it is likely it would be viewed as a waste of time. From a purely scientific research mindset though it has its merits (as well as its drawbacks).

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:36 AM

Well, naturally, that's what I've often said, that it'd be a much more practical and cost-effective way of exploring space than sending manned craft. It would also, of course, account for why we haven't been "Contacted" yet,

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:48 AM

This could also explain why many UFOs do the "now you see them, now you don't" routine. Obviously, we don't know if there are actually any alien space probes zipping around...but it's any interesting speculation none the less.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:48 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 16 July 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

Well, naturally, that's what I've often said, that it'd be a much more practical and cost-effective way of exploring space than sending manned craft. It would also, of course, account for why we haven't been "Contacted" yet,

I think it would be a more efficient use of resources with better returns if a civilization only explored the immediate vicinity around their colonized area of space which would expand as they expand as opposed to attempting to explore everything at once. What difference does it make what mineral deposits might be found 50,000 light years away (as an example)? We can only guess at what an alien civilization might consider an appropriate or efficient use of resources.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:49 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 16 July 2013 - 10:35 AM, said:

I suppose it begs the question if an alien species would develop such probes only to receive sporadic trickles of information spread out over millions of years? If their politics are anything like ours then it is likely it would be viewed as a waste of time. From a purely scientific research mindset though it has its merits (as well as its drawbacks).
if they didn't have to send information back to some "home planet" but used it themselves and learned from it, the idea is that if the probes were self-aware and self-replicating, they wouldn't need to send inforamtion back, they could keep spreading out indefinitely, carry the information themselves, so that the Galactic Civilisation could access the information whenever they wanted to. A bit like the Inter Net, I suppose, with each Probe being a server.
it's an idea that's much along my lines of thinking, and I'm glad that mainstream science is beginning to catch up with my thinking.

















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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:56 AM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 16 July 2013 - 10:36 AM, said:

it'd be a much more practical and cost-effective way of exploring space than sending manned craft. It would also, of course, account for why we haven't been "Contacted" yet,
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so who's building the crop circles then??

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 11:01 AM

View Postshrooma, on 16 July 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

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so who's building the crop circles then??

Semi-intelligent alien probes drunk on He3? Snickering as they stumble back out into deep space, pausing to urinate on Pluto on the way out?

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 11:14 AM

I can't see why not, our probes are scouring as much of the galaxy we can reach. Why shouldn't other folks' probes?

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 11:14 AM

View Postshrooma, on 16 July 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

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so who's building the crop circles then??
inter-dimensional portholes.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 11:51 AM

View Postshrooma, on 16 July 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

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so who's building the crop circles then??
Batman is.

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 12:29 PM

View PostColonel Rhuairidh, on 16 July 2013 - 11:14 AM, said:


inter-dimensional portholes.
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strange how they only appear really in britain, when the weather's warm.
are aliens in cahoots with the English Board of Tourism?!
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Posted 16 July 2013 - 12:32 PM

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Batman is.
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bloody superheroes, coming over here, ruining our crops.....

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 01:32 PM

Probes are less expensive but also less competent and flexible, and in a situation where you really have no idea what at all you may encounter, probes could be a serious mistake.

I suspect our own exploration will be in three general phases -- first observation from the earth and near-earth space to identify planets and get and idea what they are about, then probes and later missions.  At a rate of one new colony every century, expanding exponentially, the galaxy would be fully colonized in less than a million years, so one must wonder why we weren't colonized eons ago.


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 04:59 PM

I think that must be totally absurd, the Earth is more than four billion years old already. One tenth light-speed seems terribly impractical, not even to mention that even IF their robots are self-replicating where would they get the raw materials from considering that these robots would need something more than air to replicate themselves from, and how would they ever pay for those resources ? How could any space civilization, no matter how advanced, pay for the debts for such an extended exploration of this galaxy which has two hundred billion stars ?  And even IF they could gather data and information on many different global cultures throughout this galaxy that data might just become obsolete within fifty years to say, a hundred and fifty years. And certainly long outmoded before they finish gathering their data and information from all over this galaxy.





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